What caused these 'Fish Eyes' ?

LeMarque

LeMarque

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2014 Ford Raptor. Have to say the hardest paint I've ever worked with. Even scuff marks wouldn't M105 out. Had to sand. Scratched and scuffed everywhere!

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Came in looking like this but worse:

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Thanks but the question was what did I do to cause the fish eyes. Was able to buff them out, but still...
 
ZL1Mark said:
Repaint I would assume.
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This Raptor was really trashed and I went thru every combo and settled on M100 (I know- should' had M101) and a B&S cutting pad. After sanding w/ 2/25/3000!!

That's when I noticed the fish eyes. Removed them with an Opti MF cutting disk with 105/D300.

Thinking somehow I imparted them ...:redface:
 
The Driver said:
Fish eyes are not caused by you, they are caused by improper painting or curing.
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Thanks -I'm calling them fish eyes. They look to me to be micro scratches; even tho I clean the pad just about every pass. First thought was I had a piece of grit o the pad ...
 
LeMarque said:
Thanks but the question was what did I do to cause the fish eyes. Was able to buff them out, but still...
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I saw that about the fish eyes, but I guess I couldn't see them in the photos. Maybe the metallic flake was throwing my vision off. Agree with the driver, if they are truly fish eyes, then it is a paint defect and not something you would have caused. The only "cause" you would have had was that you made the paint look good causing the fish eyes to rear their ugly head. Had this happen to me when I did my first detail on my 2003 Accord last year. Compounded the hood only to find I had clear coat failure (crows feet). I never saw them until I clarified the paint.
 
The Driver - above, is correct..

I dont see what you describe as Fisheyes in the pictures..

Fisheyes in paintwork are caused by impurities on the surface that cause the paint to move around them.. Get the analogy now?

They would have shown up at the Paint Level either in the Factory or as has been said already, in a Repaint that had very little or no Quality Control.. I doubt that the Factory would have let this happen..

Normally they show up immediately when applying the Paint and you have to stop, get the paint to dry, then go and take it all off the spot/s to the primer, remove that, clean, respray it all back, block sand, prime, block sand with a guidecoat, clean the heck out of everything and respray..

I did a couple of Raptors not long ago and found their paint hard but not impossible to remove all defects using Rotary Power..

Did you use Meguiars 105 with a Purple Foam Wool or similar pad, and a Rotary ?
Dan F
 
Fish Eyes are paint related. They usually come from silicone or some type of oily contamination prior to spraying the color coat. The paint "flows away" from the contaminates and does not adhere properly in those areas. The small craters left are known as fish eyes.

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Thanks for all the replies.

Was assuming that because 'Fish Eyes' was in quotes it would be read that I didn't know what else to call them.

So the burning question of the day still is, what did I do to cause them?
 
LeMarque said:
Thanks for all the replies.

Was assuming that because 'Fish Eyes' was in quotes it would be read that I didn't know what else to call them.

So the burning question of the day still is, what did I do to cause them?
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LeMarque -

Just looking at the first Pic you posted again..

Ref Burning Question --

Please advise your process, machine, speed, technique, pads, product/s used, in as much detail as possible, so we can give you feedback..

Dan F
 
LeMarque said:
Thanks for all the replies.

Was assuming that because 'Fish Eyes' was in quotes it would be read that I didn't know what else to call them.

So the burning question of the day still is, what did I do to cause them?
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1) I assume this isn't your vehicle (if it is your vehicle, what is your wash method)?
2) I assume these swirls showed up/got worse after you did some detailing process on them and that is why you think you "caused" them?
3) See Dan's questions
 
wdmaccord said:
1) I assume this isn't your vehicle (if it is your vehicle, what is your wash method)?
2) I assume these swirls showed up/got worse after you did some detailing process on them and that is why you think you "caused" them?
3) See Dan's questions
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Stokdgs said:
LeMarque -

Just looking at the first Pic you posted again..

Ref Burning Question --

Please advise your process, machine, speed, technique, pads, product/s used, in as much detail as possible, so we can give you feedback..

Dan F
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It was either a Megs XCut MF w/ 2 dots 105 and 2 dots 301. Or

B&S Yellow w/ Megs M100

Both on a GG DA speed 5+

Sorry can't recall when I noticed them.

BTW -

Surbuff on a DA w/ D301 gets most but not all. Even this pad requires multiple passes.
 
LeMarque -

Thanks for the update ref your process..

On something as big as a Raptor, and trust me, I know how dang big they are, Im assuming you burned through a few dozen m/f to get the correction done, right ? :)

If not, you are probably not putting enough pressure on the paintwork and running the machine as fast as it will go to get some pad rotation..

My first and last experience with anything Surbuf was dismal, it left much marring in the paint, so I put them away and never took them out of the cabinet again.. Over the years, I have heard from many that while they do correct, they do leave marring that then needs to be removed to bring clarity back to the corrected paint..

Since Surbuf was originally made for sanding wood, I should have known better and not bitten, about 9-10 years ago.. :)

If you are finding out that the paint is really hard, you need to be able to address that or you will never be done here..

My personal choice would be something along the Lake Country Cyan Hydro-Shred, Menzerna Power Gloss or Super Intensive Polish and Rotary Power which can take care of about anything...

I didnt have to use any purple foam wool, etc., on either of the Raptor's I did.. Perhaps they made the paint even harder in 2014???

Good luck with this -
Dan F
 
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