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Richard@BlackWOW said:
It's not nice to take quotes out of context...I said I'm one of the most experienced professionals who USES THIS SYSTEM. Show me another professional who uses Prima daily, makes YouTube videos and writeups..I haven't seen it.
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Thank you, your comment made my point. The post didn't have "helpfull content" it was a marketing post and look at my wonderfull work. Nothing more. No "tips or tricks" to save time or get better results. Just buy this stuff.

The way I found DC was that I had a problem detailing one day (numerous since) I was directed here, and got the help I needed. Subsequent to that bought many thousands of dollars annually from the vendors here.

To be quite candid, one of the members here did a write up on prima a couple of months ago(do a search for it). It intrigued me so that I WAS going to order it and try it. But the hubris that now is attached to it, I'll reconsider my intent.

DC used to be a helpfull place, members helping others. It has turned into a living advertisement. Vendors doing product reviews(?!?!?!?!?), and when a person asks for advice or experience on a product,a vendor pops up and says "try this" (a different product), no practial reasons given, just buy this instead.

Instead of taking my comment as a blow to your ego, you may want to consider it solid, constructive advice from a customer/consumer who spends a decent amount of $$$ on product.
 
ArmstrongDetailing said:
I'm afraid I was guilty of bringing up political and even religious discussion that many viewed as not having a place on a detailing forum. To me, it was nice to see how my friends here viewed these things. ... I agree Troy. Similar in a fashion to local talk shows, I've always had an interest in hearing/reading how my community thinks about issues. In the forum format we could much more easily discuss those issues. Not that anyone's POV would be changed, though sometimes they might look at the issue differently, still it made for interesting and maybe thought provoking discourse. What I was most proud of was that the membership of DC could (usually) discuss such topics with a level of maturity and civility :bigups IMO that set DC apart from the rest.

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Give the man a chance. I'm thinking this place is gonna be bigger and better than ever with more posts than ever. Granted it might lose the cozy club house feel but the benefits will probably out weigh that.
Again I agree Troy. :) We need to give John an opportunity to get his feet under him. Yet at the same time we live in a "now" period. We (we is a generalization) no longer for letters to be sent by post, we have e-mail, we favor fast food rather than sit down restaraunts. We want things now, not later. We need to find the pulse of the membership and set our sails in that direction post haste.

On the possible loss of the feel of a small community, I can't see as a positive thing. One of the reasons I chose to spend more time at DC was because of the ridiculous post volumes over at Autopia. It was just too large to sort through the daily lists of posts to get to the few small posts that were of any interest. No Troy, bigger does not equal better. Do we have room for growth? Absolutely! But not growth without substance. Growth for growth's sake IMO is not going to bear the fruit we hope for.

:dcrules <--- This sign might be confusing to newbies to the site. :D
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Good to hear from you Troy :bigups How are those new plans working out? What were those new plans? I don't think I ever read what was on your horizon.
 
Dude, you don't even know me, but I can tell you like to create controversy and put words in peoples mouth just for kicks. It doesn't matter to me if you do or do not like Prima. This thread is about site feedback and I'm sticking to the point of this thread. I'm not here to attack anybody or discredit them. If that's what makes you happy, then maybe you ought to reconsider your methods as that's not helpful to the community.

And you think I have a big ego? Your signature "Best Detailer??" says it all. There are some people that only look at the details, without understanding the bigger picture. If you look at polishing paint the same way you attack new members then you've got a lot to learn. That's my helpful tip to you.

I'll give you another one. Be humble when faced with a new project or prospect. Don't let your ego dictate the answer. Let the project tell you what it needs, then using your expertise and knowledge, make the best informed decisions to produce the best results.

Have a nice day!

Richard


Ronkh said:
Thank you, your comment made my point. The post didn't have "helpfull content" it was a marketing post and look at my wonderfull work. Nothing more. No "tips or tricks" to save time or get better results. Just buy this stuff.

Instead of taking my comment as a blow to your ego, you may want to consider it solid, constructive advice from a customer/consumer who spends a decent amount of $$$ on product.
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Richard@BlackWOW said:
Dude, you don't even know me, but I can tell you like to create controversy and put words in peoples mouth just for kicks. It doesn't matter to me if you do or do not like Prima. This thread is about site feedback and I'm sticking to the point of this thread. I'm not here to attack anybody or discredit them. If that's what makes you happy, then maybe you ought to reconsider your methods as that's not helpful to the community.

And you think I have a big ego? Your signature "Best Detailer??" says it all. There are some people that only look at the details, without understanding the bigger picture. If you look at polishing paint the same way you attack new members then you've got a lot to learn. That's my helpful tip to you.

I'll give you another one. Be humble when faced with a new project or prospect. Don't let your ego dictate the answer. Let the project tell you what it needs, then using your expertise and knowledge, make the best informed decisions to produce the best results.

Have a nice day!

Richard
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Before you go and shoot off..... You may want to look back and see why "I am the "Best Detailer"

It was HUMOR. Amongst members.......
But that may be a forgien concept to you. (Since I am a consumer/member, and not a "professional"), I'm just a hack with $$$ to spend and experience to share.

There is a book you may want to read. It's called "the Greatest Salesman".

I will leave you a quote of your own.......

"Don't let your ego dictate the answer"
 
I still prefer sit down restaurants over any "value meal". I like to mix conversation with a wholesome meal, and most often (6 days per week) that's at home. Conversation is the best part of the dinner time.

I still send cards and gifts to my children and grandchildren. There's something about receiving postal mail that the electronic mail can't match. I guess it's recognition, effort, importance.

Being men and women who enjoy auto detailing, I believe most of us are patient enough and mature enough to expect better results using a slow, methodical process rather than a "want it now" attitude.

Perhaps it's the lack of transparency that has upset some of the long-time members, and rightfully so.

Remember, we were promised transparency in the white house and we were issued blinders instead.


This isn't Detail City.

http://www.autopiaforums.com/forums/...orums-com.html
 
Mr. Gloss said:
I still prefer sit down restaurants over any "value meal". I like to mix conversation with a wholesome meal, and most often (6 days per week) that's at home. Conversation is the best part of the dinner time.

I still send cards and gifts to my children and grandchildren. There's something about receiving postal mail that the electronic mail can't match. I guess it's recognition, effort, importance.

Being men and women who enjoy auto detailing, I believe most of us are patient enough and mature enough to expect better results using a slow, methodical process rather than a "want it now" attitude.

Perhaps it's the lack of transparency that has upset some of the long-time members, and rightfully so.

Remember, we were promised transparency in the white house and we were issued blinders instead.


This isn't Detail City.

http://www.autopiaforums.com/forums/...orums-com.html
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Change we can believe in
 
Mr. Gloss said:
I still prefer sit down restaurants over any "value meal". I like to mix conversation with a wholesome meal, and most often (6 days per week) that's at home. Conversation is the best part of the dinner time.

I still send cards and gifts to my children and grandchildren. There's something about receiving postal mail that the electronic mail can't match. I guess it's recognition, effort, importance.

Being men and women who enjoy auto detailing, I believe most of us are patient enough and mature enough to expect better results using a slow, methodical process rather than a "want it now" attitude.

Perhaps it's the lack of transparency that has upset some of the long-time members, and rightfully so.

Remember, we were promised transparency in the white house and we were issued blinders instead.


This isn't Detail City.

http://www.autopiaforums.com/forums/...orums-com.html
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Mr. Gloss, I think it is a generational thing. Those of us who remember when life moved at a slower pace and still have some appreciation for that. Our family (Mom/Dad/Brother and I) only ate the occasional dinner outside of the home. When we did is was a treat. On some Friday nights my brother and I would get to have a hamburger from DQ and then go over to spend the night at our Grandparents house. We got the burgers because our Grandparents ate later in the evening. Our family (Wife and kids) normally ate out on Friday evenings and yes, it was a sit down dinner and not at McDonalds.

It is amazing to think that businesses also operated successfully at that same slow pace. Doing business via checks in the mail etc. Specs mailed via post vs fax or e-mailed attachments. Then there was teletype and the constant drone of a room full of those devices and the reams of paper that were processed through them. I can also remember when T.I. programmers launched T.I. mail (a predecessor to today's e-mail), an internal form of electronic communication.

I don't have to send cards or gifts to our kids and grandbaby boy. They are all within an easy drive. Thank goodness!

Nah, not all detailers or customers appreciate the slow methodical process, hence the one-step (AIO) type products. Maturity ain't go nuttin' to do with it. ;)
 
Written "contracts" have been in place for a long, long time. Their usage were not necessarily mandated by lack of honor on either side, but to clarify specifications, boundaries, duties etc. so both sides had a clear understanding of the agreement. Handshake deals are still fine for simpler transactions and there are a number of folks with whom I would happily enter into an agreement with based on their handshake. But I'm not buying a car, boat, a plane or piece of real estate based on a handshake no matter how honorable the other side is.
 
Mr. Clean said:
Written "contracts" have been in place for a long, long time. Their usage were not necessarily mandated by lack of honor on either side, but to clarify specifications, boundaries, duties etc. so both sides had a clear understanding of the agreement. Handshake deals are still fine for simpler transactions and there are a number of folks with whom I would happily enter into an agreement with based on their handshake. But I'm not buying a car, boat, a plane or piece of real estate based on a handshake no matter how honorable the other side is.
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touche'
 
The demise of DC was as much a fault of the members as anyone else. Dewayne took over from Troy and basically left it alone except for taking away the chat room that was restored after some squalking. He had recruited some of the same company reps as before.

Posts were down even by the regulars. I think the regulars had talked themselves out of something detailing relayed to discuss with passion in the past and some left when not felt welcome anyway. Unlike GM and Chrysler, DC was not going to get a federal bailout but more like the banks. It was either close down or get absorbed and reborn. This has how business has been doing it for many years.
 
Bunky said:
The demise of DC was as much a fault of the members as anyone else. Dewayne took over from Troy and basically left it alone except for taking away the chat room that was restored after some squalking. He had recruited some of the same company reps as before.

Posts were down even by the regulars. I think the regulars had talked themselves out of something detailing relayed to discuss with passion in the past and some left when not felt welcome anyway. Unlike GM and Chrysler, DC was not going to get a federal bailout but more like the banks. It was either close down or get absorbed and reborn. This has how business has been doing it for many years.
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Wonder how much a bad/tough winter had to do with the low post count
 
Bunky, hate to think that everything in life is due to someone's "fault". Don't necessarily agree that there is any fault to be laid here either. Stuff happens. Detailing discussions can be cyclical with decreases and increases in the number of discussion related to weather and new products. That phenomenon is not relegated just to detailing btw. Check out the uptick in discussion related to consumer electronics right after CES or professional audio/video right after NAB or cars after car shows.

We have had a fairly strong core of guys (yeah, we've had a few girls but they seem to lose interest quickly) who have carried a lot of the disussion here, but I think for the most part we have welcomed the legitimate new members and answered their questions. Whether we want to admit it to ourselves or not, we are a pretty small group of people who eat/drink (and yeah sometimes obsess about) this stuff day in day out. My guess is that a significant number of folks drop by, get their answer(s) and move on happy with their one time excursion into our world. They will make that one purchase and it will last them...and last them...and last them.
 
Mr. Clean,

I agree that speed is important in a production shop, but for me and some others I enjoy the multi-step process of cleaning, polishing, sealing, waxing.

Yes, there are probably many one time purchases, but impulse buyers are still buyers, and that's what this place is about, selling a product.

I think the one time drive by folks become disenchanted when they realize the product isn't a miracle, it actually takes some planning and hard work to achieve that "detailed" look.
 
Mr. Gloss,

As do I, but business and other priorities often mandate the need for other products and processes. Even on my personal vehicles (and other well maintained vehicles) multi-step processes are often not needed, and then sometimes time precludes. It is great that there are so many AIO type products (that work!) to have on hand.
 
Mr. Clean said:
Bunky, hate to think that everything in life is due to someone's "fault".
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Life is all about cause and effect. The "cause" is ALWAYS either activity or inactivity by some person or group of people. Call it fault or don't, but by that point what you're down to is a debate over semantics. :inspector:
 
Words carry their own implications and "fault" and "blame" associate a negative connotation. The rest of that paragraph explained the distinction.
 
I hate to see the current state of affairs. It saddens me to see the drop off of some senior members posting. After all that group is what brought me to join. This group as a whole made this site what it was and everyone has the ability to make it what it can be.

I fully agree whith what has been said earlier by senior members. I would hope this will turn out an opportunity for everyone to get things off their chest. Maybe the things said here can be used for improvement.

This is a detail forum and platform for discussion. If you post something and are unwilling to be questioned it makes no sense to post. Sometimes it may be a direct question.
That's what makes it discussion.

I came here to hopefully add a contribution of what I do and discuss it and not to brag.
The atmosphere was what I liked. I understand the need for change and growth. Thats what can help. However a change to the atmosphere of respected "characters" of a great thing could be a bad thing.

Just a thought.

I know we have a new name but.......:dcrules
 
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