Best Sealant?

black bart said:
FrEsHnCLEAN After using the 105 you will not be able to take a photo of your car.
I took a picture of my hood and this is what I got,

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That's AWESOME! :bigups

Did you apply the AW over that? Or is that just the polish and then 105?
How long does it last like that?

Does the bonding agent help make it last any longer than if you didn't use it?

I still need to see how much my order will total out to but if you don't need the 601, then I might take that out since i'm on a budget...
 
Rockit said:
Nope, the fast clean & shine is a quick detailer,
this is used for quick wipe downs to remove finger
prints, dust, road grime, water spots etc. Use it
before a show or to maintain your sealant or wax
in between washings. The aquawax is a spray sealant
no cleaners, and should be used about once a month,
or after heavy washes. Some people mix fc&s with
the aquawax in a 70% fc&s to 30% aquawax or
2/3 fc&s to 1/3 aquawax, supposedly this cleans and
gives a nice gloss, and won't build up like using pure
aquawax, I haven't tried this yet but heard about it
on this board. I think black bart uses this mixture.
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Interesting, so is it reccomended that I get the FC&S even if I have a quick detailer? If you get the 105 do you have to use the Aqua wax with it or it won't last as long, if so how much longer will it last with the AW vs. without it...
 
Since I usually apply more product to our vehicles every 4 to 6 weeks, I'm not a very good one to comment on longevity of products.
I can tell you my experience and thoughts, though.
1. I used #601 under the #105 for my initial application after polishing. It probably isn't necessary in my opinion.
2. FC&S is not a necessity either since you already have a QD. I don't have it and don't miss it.
3. The Aqua Wax is not a necessity, but it is a great product to have around. It is said to increase the life of the 105 considerably, but due to my routine, I can't verify that.
It does do a good job of keeping the paint slick and looking good when used after a wash.
Not a must have item, but worth the money.

Lack of funds can change a lot of things. :wall
 
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What is so special about the Aqua wax? I have wax so no need for another one, but if it ABSOLUTELY does increase the life of the 105 and keep the paint looking good and slick then I might get it...
 
FrEsHnClean Hard to say how long it will last it depends on a lot of variables like will the car be in a garage or on the street????

How often it is driven and how far.
AW will greatly extend the life of the 105.

This is my Ranger with 105 after about 10 months
but it is kept in a garage and wiped down with a FC&S-AW mix after being driven.

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The 601 will add durability but is NOT a must have.
If you can see your way to put AW in your order DO IT.
Everyone will tell you AW is a good product :bigups
 
FrEsHnClean said:
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What is so special about the Aqua wax? I have wax so no need for another one, but if it ABSOLUTELY does increase the life of the 105 and keep the paint looking good and slick then I might get it...
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AW is a spray sealant, not really a wax. AW, by itself, will provide a few weeks of protection, so when you use it over 105, or anything for that matter, it will enhance the durability.

It is not a necessity, but is a great product.
 
blk45 said:
AW is a spray sealant, not really a wax. AW, by itself, will provide a few weeks of protection, so when you use it over 105, or anything for that matter, it will enhance the durability.

It is not a necessity, but is a great product.
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I've used AquaWax for several years now. I think of it the same way I look at Eagle's Wax-As-You-Dry, though I think AW is a step up for the Eagle product. It can be used as a weekly wash follow up with no concern for a build up, at least in my experience. Seems like I read this was a concern in this thread. It works equally well over a waxed finish or a sealed finish. It is a very good in between waxing/sealing product. I would recommend this product to anyone that likes a shiny car. I think of this a must have. It's probably my favorite product in the DuraGloss line and the rest of their products are very nice also.
 
black bart said:
FrEsHnClean Hard to say how long it will last it depends on a lot of variables like will the car be in a garage or on the street????

How often it is driven and how far.
AW will greatly extend the life of the 105.

This is my Ranger with 105 after about 10 months
but it is kept in a garage and wiped down with a FC&S-AW mix after being driven.

The 601 will add durability but is NOT a must have.
If you can see your way to put AW in your order DO IT.
Everyone will tell you AW is a good product :bigups
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The car is garaged every night, driven daily but not far about 12-40 miles each day.

Hypothetically speaking if I had the car outside all the time and drove it till no end, how long would 105 last before I had to reapply everything and I didn't touch it or wipe it down with anything (NO FC&S-AW) ??
 
FrEsHnClean said:
The car is garaged every night, driven daily but not far about 12-40 miles each day.

Hypothetically speaking if I had the car outside all the time and drove it till no end, how long would 105 last before I had to reapply everything and I didn't touch it or wipe it down with anything (NO FC&S-AW) ??
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Since I have never done what you are asking I would guess it will last 3 to 5 months.
If kept in a garage it will last longer.
How long it lasts also depends on how well it is applied and how well it is prepared.
It does not bond to a wax as well as a clean finish.
 
black bart said:
Since I have never done what you are asking I would guess it will last 3 to 5 months.
If kept in a garage it will last longer.
How long it lasts also depends on how well it is applied and how well it is prepared.
It does not bond to a wax as well as a clean finish.
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Thanks...yeah I just kind of wanted to know until it would stop beading and would need a new reapply of coat...3-5 months is not bad, I dont go that long without washing the car anyway...
 
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Question.....

Can Sealant be layered? Would it add to the durability and extend the life of the sealant (protection) on the car?

Would it also look any better than it does with sealant already applied to it?

btw....did 1 panel and was instantly amazed could tell it was big difference between just a polished panel, this stuff is awesome and the thing i've been missing in my final detail....loving the look (just like a mirror) and looks to be quite durable but only time will tell.....
 
I used DG 105 on a black Ford escape and a silver Honda Accord last year and they still beaded and also looked pretty good although not freshly waxed. They are kept in a garage and laser washed often.
 
Seems the new kid on the block is BLACKFIRE WET DIAMOND sealant. Heard great things about the stuff but have never tried it.

Ex And EX-P seem to do the job here in the lovely weather we have in MAINE...:inspector:
 
This is kind of useless information at this point but a sealant that I really liked (it's no longer made), DP Sealant. I don't know why they no longer offer a sealant in the DP line but it was very user friendly and in the same "it's slick" category as 4 Star UPP. Actually I probably do know the reason it's no longer offered. At the end of the day if it's not selling you don't carry it. I still have the lion's share of a bottle left and enjoy using it. As I mentioned if you re-seal frequently DPP is the slickest to the knuckles I've found, it doesn't last as long as many other sealants. Of course you can't go wrong with either EX or EX-P and I usually come home to these.
 
FrEsHnClean said:
Can Sealant be layered? Would it add to the durability and extend the life of the sealant (protection) on the car?

Would it also look any better than it does with sealant already applied to it?
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Depends on who you talk to. I believe it can be layered to an extent. Carnauba over a sealant is the most popular form of layering.

Applying a sealant over itself or one sealant over another is a bit different. I remember Sam from Four Star would get asked this a lot about Ultima's Paint Guard Plus. His answer was there really wasn't any benefit to layering UPGP other than insuring an even coat.

I haven't gotten into layering myself much so I can't answer with personal experience. As long as I know I am getting the whole finish covered with sealant I'm happy. Re-applying often definitely helps but is that because a layer has been added or because the original layer was diminished and replaced?
 
Re: Best Sealant? UPDATE!

Well I called into DG today and I talked to someone who works in the lab forgot his name but it wasn't Bill the co-owner, although I wished that I had spoke with him since everyone here seems to know of him.

He said that it has been tested and can be layered up to 3 coats, after that "it gets kind of ridiculous" to apply after 3 coats

I just wanted to know if it would actually add to the durability vs. just 1 coat if I layered another coat on it from someone who has actually layered and tested it...I don't even care if it looks better or the same...

Also I wanted to know if it would work on my wheels I have a polished lip and supposedly it can be used on all surfaces as long as you don't apply it to any porous or rough surfaces on the wheel, he said alot of people use it on wheels as well.

And lastly I got the exhaust all nice and polished up and he said that DG 105 is good up to 1500 degrees :eek: so should be fine :wow:


Now, the only reason why I wanted to know the durability of DG #105 is cause I go to school during the year and come back home during the summer time which is the only time of the year I could even have a garage and have the car down for more than a week to do a full detail like this (taken me 12 days so far)....otherwise it will sit outside of an apt complex 24/7 coming next month this fall so it will officially be my daily driver for the next 365 days :(

So the only real detail I can do until next year is just an occasional high pressure car wash as well as FC&S + AW mix (which I also ordered)

the guy at DG I spoke with mentioned if I used the #601 bonding agent (which was recommended to me only after I had placed my order with the #105 and all by a friend :wall) that was as good as it gets and that it would last far much longer, something like 30% or 80% longer I forgot which.....I know they recommend this with the #105.

The way I applied DG #105 was on top of clean polished paint...

I have myself, personally tested just the durability of the polish i'm using now and by itself (with no sealant) has lasted + will last 6 months - 1 year on the car but loses its beading power within about 2 months or so + I was given this product for free. :confused:

Just want to see if I can expect to see atleast 1 full year of brand new paint like beading in the rain or shine....:bigups
 
Re: layering.
All factory reps that have spoken (that I have read) on the issue say use two coats for even coverage. Any more coats are overkill. This from people who manufacture and sell the products. The controversies about layering I read about are from users, never the manufacturers.
 
I have layered KSG up to four coats then topped with a few coats of S100. This was all done over about two weeks time. It really seemed to get better with each coat, This could also be my demented imagination, But it lasted at least 8 months, and I believe it could of went longer. I did polish with dacp, 80, aio, sg, s100. In this case although I love the looks of 80, I know aio helped the SG bond. PB's PP would work also.

It's up to you, I like to wait two days, wash and reapply another coat. Sometimes, I'll add a coat every weekend after washing. I'll do this for a month, then follow with carnauba wax the second month.

being sure the paint is clean and free from oils and silicones is very important for the life of a sealant. However some sealants like waxes have cleaners. This would not be to effective in layering. Pure sealant, and pure waxes would be best.
 
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