layers of carnuba

distrbd

distrbd

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how many layers of carnuba can you put on a car?
This question was asked in another site and I didn't know the answer,in fact I thought 4-5 layers would be alright but he says that he has heard more than 3 could cause a problem,is it true?
Thanks.
Ken.
 
distrbd said:
how many layers of carnuba can you put on a car?
This question was asked in another site and I didn't know the answer,in fact I thought 4-5 layers would be alright but he says that he has heard more than 3 could cause a problem,is it true?
Thanks.
Ken.
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there have been people who have said if you over wax then you will get a haze to the paint, it can easly be removed with clay.
However I know a guy who waxed his car everyday with gold class for over a month, the car never went hazy and he never had an issue. So no i dont think there will be any problems,

However wax has a dimishing return. This means that the next layer has less added value then the previous. So at some point (depending on the wax) you will see no diffrence in looks.
But as for a problem, no there should not be one
 
I wax my car....alot...I mean alot...

I don't know of any issues other then hazing, however that can be remidied by spraying down the car with some cold water. I am to the point right now I am sure when I wax it its not going to enhance the color any further I just enjoy doing it. I just feel my car is cleaner when I wax it.
 
I think Rabbi did 20-25 coats of Natty blue on one of his cars.
I layer mine with random waxes and polishes with no real issues. I don't get much more result after 2-3 waxes in a row.
 
If protection is your goal, more than 2 coats of carnauba is pretty much a waste of product.

However, if appearance is your goal, some carnauba will "enhance", or at least change the appearance with multiple coats.

Too many coats of some carnauba's will mute the finish with product buildup.
 
It does nothing. I'm of the field that says you can't even layer wax.

Wax doesn't bond (like polymers, it only lays on top) to paint or to itself so the reasoning goes that because of this, plus the solvent content in paste and liquid waxes, an added layer only replaces the first layer. It does not "add" a layer on top.

Now many people apply 2 layers for complete coverage but it won't add anything other than peace of mind.

Anthony
 
DCT said:
If protection is your goal, more than 2 coats of carnauba is pretty much a waste of product.

However, if appearance is your goal, some carnauba will "enhance", or at least change the appearance with multiple coats.

Too many coats of some carnauba's will mute the finish with product buildup.
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totally agree :rockon and depending on the color and if it has metal flake or not it will make a difference as to if it will mute.
Also the wax itself can also play a factor, some are made to be bright and clear, others are made to deepen and hide.


Anthony O. said:
It does nothing. I'm of the field that says you can't even layer wax.

Wax doesn't bond (like polymers, it only lays on top) to paint or to itself so the reasoning goes that because of this, plus the solvent content in paste and liquid waxes, an added layer only replaces the first layer. It does not "add" a layer on top.

Now many people apply 2 layers for complete coverage but it won't add anything other than peace of mind.

Anthony
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sorry Anthony unless you are buffing really hard or applying with a machine, you CAN add more layers of wax...I've seen the difference in multiple coats and it sticks pretty good to finishes as you need to polish or use a solvent to really remove it :)
 
Poorboy said:
sorry Anthony unless you are buffing really hard or applying with a machine, you CAN add more layers of wax...I've seen the difference in multiple coats and it sticks pretty good to finishes as you need to polish or use a solvent to really remove it :)
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I remember posts by jeff2417 years ago when he was doing multiple layers of Trade Secret. You could easily tell a difference with many layers vs. a few. So at least with the Trade Secret I believe that it can be layered and keep looking better .... only if those pictures were still online :hmmm: ...
 
budman3 said:
I remember posts by jeff2417 years ago when he was doing multiple layers of Trade Secret. You could easily tell a difference with many layers vs. a few. So at least with the Trade Secret I believe that it can be layered and keep looking better .... only if those pictures were still online :hmmm: ...
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Trade Secret is one of those carnauba waxes that have a lot of pigment, or dyes, or whatever in them that tend to darken/enhance with multiple layers. I suspect that Steve's Natty's Red and Blue have similar characteristics.
 
i have an electron blu vette, if i use anything other than a white carnuba on my car in multiple layers ( 2-3) at the most i'll notice the flake pop. if i do the same thing with a dark wax ( natty's, gold class, nxt, puple haze etc.) i notice my flake gets muted and the color darkens, not necessarily a bad thing just something i've noticed.
 
You can add as many layers of a pure carnauba wax as you like. Its been my experience that in general waxes with a weaker amount of carnauba content will require more applications in order to reach a slick and liquid result (given good prep of course).

But there is such a thing as overdoing it, in terms of true color rendition and clarity. If you continue to pile on wax (lets say for more than a year, or in the case of overdoing it, 25,50,75, etc. layers over a couple of seasons and with any layerable lsp), then you may see that the quality of the color and clarity of the finish will suffer.

I have "two" areas of what I call my best results: The very first application of "my" wax right after a thorough prep process, where the color is most vibrant; and after a few months of keeping the paint clean during a season with a good amount of wax coatings (layer #6 is my magic number with my main wax.....Calgary you know which wax that is lol!!!!).
 
lbls1 said:
You can add as many layers of a pure carnauba wax as you like. Its been my experience that in general waxes with a weaker amount of carnauba content will require more applications in order to reach a slick and liquid result (given good prep of course).

But there is such a thing as overdoing it, in terms of true color rendition and clarity. If you continue to pile on wax (lets say for more than a year, or in the case of overdoing it, 25,50,75, etc. layers over a couple of seasons and with any layerable lsp), then you may see that the quality of the color and clarity of the finish will suffer.

I have "two" areas of what I call my best results: The very first application of "my" wax right after a thorough prep process, where the color is most vibrant; and after a few months of keeping the paint clean during a season with a good amount of wax coatings (layer #6 is my magic number with my main wax.....Calgary you know which wax that is lol!!!!).
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I know exaclty what you are talking about, and you are an idiot for buying it ;)
 
Anthony O. said:
It does nothing. I'm of the field that says you can't even layer wax.

Wax doesn't bond (like polymers, it only lays on top) to paint or to itself so the reasoning goes that because of this, plus the solvent content in paste and liquid waxes, an added layer only replaces the first layer. It does not "add" a layer on top.

Now many people apply 2 layers for complete coverage but it won't add anything other than peace of mind.

Anthony
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I'm not trying to dismiss your opinion, but everything I've ever read and have experienced seems to go against what you're saying. Do you have any research and/or information to support your opinion?
 
F.E.D said:
Carnuba wax most of us use is hardly pure...nor is it mostly carnuba the content of most Carnuba waxes is no more than 11-17%. I know this may cause some up roar or upset some but research it.

THIS IS PURE CARNUBA listen carefully for the price: YouTube - The Most Expensive Car Wash For Ferrari , Lamborghini
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I think it's pretty common knowledge that carnauba waxes aren't 100% pure carnauba.
My thought on the 100% claim is that they are saying that the carnauba content of their product is 100% pure. It may be a very small percentage of that product, though.
IMO, people worry too much about what is in a product. Very few of us have any idea of the purpose of the different ingredients. A difference of 1% or 50% might or might not make any change in how that product performs.
How it works for you or at least how you think it works for you is the important thing.
The only thing I am sure of is that we sure do have a lot of good/great products to choose from.

Oh yeah, I didn't listen to the clip. :)

Charles
 
CharlesW said:
I think it's pretty common knowledge that carnauba waxes aren't 100% pure carnauba.
My thought on the 100% claim is that they are saying that the carnauba content of their product is 100% pure. It may be a very small percentage of that product, though.
IMO, people worry too much about what is in a product. Very few of us have any idea of the purpose of the different ingredients. A difference of 1% or 50% might or might not make any change in how that product performs.
How it works for you or at least how you think it works for you is the important thing.
The only thing I am sure of is that we sure do have a lot of good/great products to choose from.

Oh yeah, I didn't listen to the clip. :)

Charles
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I agree, that is the most important thing. if you like it stick with it. Thats what i do... :lol2:


and the clip is just paul dalton ;)
 
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