SiO2 Ceramic Spray Sealant test on Acura TSX

[William_Wallace]

You nailed it with this thread I saw it when you posted it but never read through it or somehow missed your updates.

I think you had good head to heads for the products you chose. Drexel looked good too...a nice little surprise. If your searching for the next bead monster spray topper ....SiRamik SC-Mist is top level beading from what I have seen in forensic detail videos. I have not used it personally

Sometimes when I use Meguiar HCW I could swear the beading is almost as good as some of these products then other times it’s average.

 

[atbalfour]

You nailed it with this thread I saw it when you posted it but never read through it or somehow missed your updates.

I think you had good head to heads for the products you chose. Drexel looked good too...a nice little surprise. If your searching for the next bead monster spray topper ....SiRamik SC-Mist is top level beading from what I have seen in forensic detail videos. I have not used it personally

Sometimes when I use Meguiar HCW I could swear the beading is almost as good as some of these products then other times it’s average.

AcuRAS82 any update on this?

@William_Wallace - SC Mist is a pretty formidable and good all round product to be honest. It`s party trick is it`s chemical resistance and it`s actually pretty slick for the substantial product it is. As for beading, a step behind Cosmic having had them all on a test panel, gloss not quite as blingy.

 

[acuRAS82]

AcuRAS82 any update on this?

Update coming soon. Pics taken an hour ago.

 

[acuRAS82]

Update 11/5/2020 (2.5 months):

Hood:
Washed with Reset, flat spray setting hose test, pics taken a few seconds apart, with final pic at around 10 seconds:

Once again:

Water shedding & overall behavior ranks (my opinion):
1a) Overcoat
1b) Cosmic (barely behind Overcoat, if not equal)
3) Jet (way behind and probably 80-85% dead)
4) Lustre (long gone)

I’m at the point of needing to decide if I end the hood portion of the test. It’s down to Cosmic vs Overcoat which may go on for weeks/months; and I suppose there is some insight to gain in seeing how long Jet hangs on. But I don’t want the hood unprotected once winter salt starts. Right now the boundary lines between product areas, the left and right sides of the hood, and the Lustre area are unprotected.

So I’m either going to
- put Cancoat on these unprotected areas,
Or
- same as above plus where Jet occupies
Or
- put Cancoat on the entire hood and call this done

Any opinions while I decide are welcome.


Cool Observation:
There is a line that can be seen after rinsing which shows where dead Lustre on bare paint meets dead Lustre that was on Essence. I thought this was neat to show that although Essence isn’t hydrophobic, water repels better off of the Essence area than the bare paint.
Left side of the picture is dead Lustre on bare paint (middle hood). Right side is seemingly dead Lustre that was on Essence (front hood):

 

[acuRAS82]

Update #2 11/5/2020 (2.5 months):

Trunk:
Washed with Reset, hose test on flat spray setting, pics taken a few seconds apart, final pic around 10 seconds:

Reference

Once again:

All three besides DPC looking great! I’ve sprayed from all different angles and at any given angle, each product wins equal amounts. I’m going 3-way tie here again:

T-1) IGL, Drexler, Griots 3-1
4) DPC (hanging by a thread)


I will let this trunk testing continue on into winter until there’s a clear winner. But might be covering up the DPC with Cancoat, which obviously won’t be part of the competition.



Roof:
I’m done reporting on the roof. It’s too hard to judge toppers on a mediocre coating, and not worth taking roof pictures which is annoying. Test over, no clear observations.

 

[atbalfour]

Are there any spray products that can hold a candle to PA CS or KK Overcoat? IGL premier looks like it`s holding up ok, albeit on a less exposed part of the car?

 

[acuRAS82]

Are there any spray products that can hold a candle to PA CS or KK Overcoat? IGL premier looks like it`s holding up ok, albeit on a less exposed part of the car?

Not including true coating lites like Cancoat... my guess is Feynlab CSC (which beat out IGL on my X5 roof), and maybe WG CSC which did well in the same test but on a separate area of the car.

However I would argue that Feynlab beading isn’t as impressive as Cosmic, Overcoat or IGL, from my very limited experience with it. But I’m not knocking it, it’s awesome bang for the buck and applies very easy.

And not sure if this is cheating, but PA Viking might be comparable to Cosmic, although I’ve never put them head to head and have used Cosmic more often.

 

[acuRAS82]

Update 11/11 (2.75 months):

I decided and implemented the following:

Feynlab Pure Rinseless then Kleen Strip Prep-All then Gyeon Cancoat to the following previous testing areas:

- Passenger side of hood where Nova products once occupied
- Whole roof
- Previous DPC Armor area of trunk


So my new hood test areas looks like this, testing areas exclude Cancoat:

Roof is gone from the test.


Trunk looks like this, testing area excludes Cancoat:

So the test will live on for the time being. Beading pics taken from this morning and all remaining products doing very well.

 

[glfnaz]

Not including true coating lites like Cancoat... my guess is Feynlab CSC (which beat out IGL on my X5 roof), and maybe WG CSC which did well in the same test but on a separate area of the car.

However I would argue that Feynlab beading isn’t as impressive as Cosmic, Overcoat or IGL, from my very limited experience with it. But I’m not knocking it, it’s awesome bang for the buck and applies very easy.


And not sure if this is cheating, but PA Viking might be comparable to Cosmic, although I’ve never put them head to head and have used Cosmic more often.

I agree that Feynlab is easy to use, but the beading isn`t very good.

 

[Coatings=crack]

Update 11/11 (2.75 months):

I decided and implemented the following:

Feynlab Pure Rinseless then Kleen Strip Prep-All then Gyeon Cancoat to the following previous testing areas:

- Passenger side of hood where Nova products once occupied
- Whole roof
- Previous DPC Armor area of trunk


So my new hood test areas looks like this, testing areas exclude Cancoat:

Roof is gone from the test.


Trunk looks like this, testing area excludes Cancoat:

So the test will live on for the time being. Beading pics taken from this morning and all remaining products doing very well.

Can see a vast difference from cancoat side of hood to others. How long have the Kami and PA been on?


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[acuRAS82]

Can see a vast difference from cancoat side of hood to others.

Other than the vast differences shown in the pictures taken after heavy rain?

The sheeting is totally different while driving. The brand new Cancoat side continually creates medium sized beads from the rain while the car is in motion. These beads then move their way up the hood until they fall off.

Cosmic and OC shed the first load of water while driving and then seemed to remain totally clean except a very slow build up of tiny, micro-beads. It’s as if the rain was just bouncing off and no longer accumulating once the hood was 90% cleared of the water that accumulated prior to driving. Only small splatters causing the very tiny beads remained on the hood from then on.

So in summary, while standing still, Cancoat has smaller tighter beads. But while in motion, Cancoat puts on a nice looking bead show, but Cosmic and OC sheet the water off once and then nothing sticks to it except minuscule beads for the rest of the drive.

So bead beauty goes to fresh Cancoat.

Sheeting goes to 2.5 month old Cosmic and OC.

How long have the Kami and PA been on?

2.5 months

 

[atbalfour]

Is that on top of a coated surface?

That`s pretty impressive beading for 2.5 month old Cosmic. Initial performance unquestionable but generally for me it wouldn`t perform as well for as long, even on test panels.. now starting to wonder I`m doing wrong

I`m washing weekly with the advertised dilution of CarPro Reset. Panel not under a tree or subject to any obvious contamination though temperatures fluctuating between 7 and 13 degrees celcius at the mo.

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[acuRAS82]

Is that on top of a coated surface?

That`s pretty impressive beading for 2.5 month old Cosmic. Initial performance unquestionable but generally for me it wouldn`t perform as well for as long, even on test panels.. now starting to wonder I`m doing wrong

I`m washing weekly with the advertised dilution of CarPro Reset. Panel not under a tree or subject to any obvious contamination though temperatures fluctuating between 7 and 13 degrees celcius at the mo.

These are not on coated surfaces. Bottom of the hood has Essence underneath though.

Im also washing with Reset 1:500 and car lives outside. Although the temperatures it’s dealt with haven’t been as hot as summertime (applies in late August), it’s gone through the typical northeast late summer and fall. Although not a ton of rain in western PA this year.

I doubt you’re doing it wrong, it’s so easy to apply. But this is 2 coats applied at the beginning. Results are so dependent on paint, weather, washing, etc.

Also note that my hose tests show these are not anywhere near initial strength, even though they are holding up well overall.

 

[Coatings=crack]

My car sits more in rain than driving (8 hrs a day at work)Most Lsp’s will evacuate water in a drive.

In my experience my coated parts of car evacuate water faster when driving or blowing off faster than Cosmic and OC.

I have CqUk3 under Cancoat so that may be the difference.


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[acuRAS82]

My car sits more in rain than driving (8 hrs a day at work)Most Lsp’s will evacuate water in a drive.

In my experience my coated parts of car evacuate water faster when driving or blowing off faster than Cosmic and OC.

I have CqUk3 under Cancoat so that may be the difference.

Is Cosmic and OC on top of a coating as well when it sheets water slower than the rest of the coating? Or are they standalone?

 

[Coatings=crack]

Is Cosmic and OC on top of a coating as well when it sheets water slower than the rest of the coating? Or are they standalone?

Stand alone. Didn’t coat the hood to try out different products. Oc and Cosmic definitely perform best as a stand alone sealant of what I have tried.

Anything i put on the cQuK3/Cancoat combo performs the same as the coating,

That is what leads me to believe toppers don’t affect coating performance.


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[atbalfour]

Goes back to the good old debate of whether they actually adhere to the coating at all...

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[Coatings=crack]

Goes back to the good old debate of whether they actually adhere to the coating at all...

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I believe they may add some base Sio2. I can tell that visually they do make a difference. If it were just protection I was after i probably wouldn’t do it.

But the other side of detailing other than protection is the way the car looks and visually topping does makecthe car look better.


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[acuRAS82]

But the other side of detailing other than protection is the way the car looks and visually topping does makecthe car look better.

Yeah, I’ve seen obvious visual differences when applying toppers such as PA High Gloss or PA Carnauba Arts. I thought it was so weird when I topped High Gloss on Cancoat and the sharper difference that High Gloss does well was there, but beading was tighter than High Gloss had ever been on it’s own for me. When topping it tends to keep similar or identical beading to the coating underneath. Coatings=crack here got me on board with the idea of toppers on coatings and why the coating base keeps the beading at a high level. WillSports3 had some in depth thoughts on the same topic.

I now have a coated car in the driveway and I’ve been playing around with toppers and I still believe the topper is adhering but the beading remains as good as the underlying coating. Surface also gets slicker (which seems more concrete evidence of topper adhering than visual appearance. But even visually, adding PA Rapidwaxx or Black Wulfenite for instance is an easy way to see the look become smoother, instantly and stay that way for some time.

 

[Dynoguy]

You can almost tell where you had taped the trunk