Think I`m done messing around with coatings, final thoughts...

No coating is going to last you 5 years for normal everyday use. Sure put in on a queen and drive it on wkends, than you may get 5 years out of it. All those 5 years + is a total marketing rubbish speak. Or a total BS in Australian speak :)

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PoweredByJenga said:
No coating is going to last you 5 years for normal everyday use. Sure put in on a queen and drive it on wkends, than you may get 5 years out of it. All those 5 years + is a total marketing rubbish speak. Or a total BS in Australian speak :)

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Yep...daily use, regardless of shine and hydrophobic properties, will inflict enough flaws that 2 years is likely the ocd-ish limit.

That said, of course I`ll likely jump in at some point this summer...`cuz I`m a junkie for Kamikaze. Just don`t know what to use it on as all of our cars are still doing great with the Miyabi/ISM combo and at $420 for the Zipang/Miyabi sandwich, I`d prefer to see it work every day.

Zipang Coat`by KAMIKAZE-Collection not only represents an evolution in their world-renowned coatings that are hand-made in Japan, but it’s also the highest performing coating in the KAMIKAZE lineup.`

Sticking with KAMIKAZE-Collection’s traditional development processes,`Zipang Coat`was created with ease of use in mind. This ease of use, along with the highest levels of performance, are what have made the KAMIKAZE coatings so popular with both the professional detailer and detailing enthusiasts alike.``

With`Zipang Coat, the chemistry provides even higher levels of gloss and brilliance than their ISM / ISM Pro coatings, and it offers semi self-healing characteristics, meaning that the appearance of small swirls of imperfections in the coating surface will reduce when exposed to heat.`

For those looking for the ultimate in coating protection, we recommend`Zipang Coat`for its unmatched looks, hydrophobicity, ease of use, and semi self-healing technology. Durability is rated at 5+ years. Zipang Coat also provides a darkening effect to the paint (blacks will be deeper black, richer reds, etc), and has the ability to lightly fill small imperfections in the paint.`

For maintaining`Zipang Coat, we recommend washing the vehicle with a pH neutral shampoo like`Gyeon Bathe`or`Bathe Essence, then using`KAMIKAZE Overcoat`every 4~6 washes. ```

Layering Options for Zipang Coat:`

Good: 1 layer of Zipang Coat

Better: Base layer of`Miyabi Coat, topped with Zipang Coat

Best: Base layer of Zipang Coat, middle layer of Miyabi Coat, top layer of Zipang Coat (This will provide the best looks, best durability, and the most semi self-healing characteristics).`

Application Instructions:`

` `Shake bottle` `Apply a little bit of Zipang Coat onto`applicator cloth/block…enough for an even coverage.` `Apply to surface in straight lines only (do not cross-hatch) with a little overlap to ensure a thick, even coverage to the surface.` `Using a 2-towel method (one designated for the initial wipe, the second to do the final wipe), gently remove the coating residue using small, circular motions after 3~5 minutes (1-2 panels at a time). Humidity levels and ambient temperature will have an effect on curing time, so the higher the temperature and humidity, the shorter the amount of time between application and removal.` `After applying to the entire vehicle, be sure to look carefully for “high spots”, or darker patches where the coating wasn’t fully removed. Wipe these down right away, otherwise they will require machine polishing to remove if allowed to cure overnight.` `Do not allow the vehicle to get wet for at least 24 hours (the longer, the better), and don’t wash vehicle for 1 week.` `If using multiple layers as outlined in “layering options”, give 1~2 hours between layers.

Notes:

Do not use maintenance products other than Overcoat by KAMIKAZE.Only use pH neutral shampoos, with no additives, gloss enhancers, waxes, or polymers.Do not use any other types of toppers, coatings, waxes, sealants, no-rinse washes, or quick detailers with Zipang Coat. The looks, performance, and durability will suffer as a result!Can be used on both painted surfaces, and plastic trim.Designed, developed, and intended for professional-use only.
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Why not just wait until your Civic’s Miyabi/ISM coat reaches its end of life? $420 is a hefty chunk of change to use on any car other than one of your own if it’s coming out of your pocket. 1-2 year is a long time to wait but who knows by the time Kamikaze will have release an even better coat.
 
That would certainly be the wise and practical thing to do...and we know how that sometimes plays out

Even though it`s nearing 21 months, the Civic only has 12k miles on the coating(s) so I`m expecting a 48 month/30k mile lifespan, a long way down the road.

I`d expect my black 2017 Accord daily driver would be the prime candidate. Even though that coating is only 9 months old, it`s already at about 21k *hard* miles. 95% freeway driving has left the hood with some notable rock chips, passenger door near handle has some `jewelry strike` scratches and trunk has some slight scratching from lazy loading/unloading.

The coating is still doing great with regards to appearance and performance but the question is whether or not I can live with the defects for another 12 months as I expect to recoat it in Spring/Summer 2019 at around 40k miles.

We`ll see how I do with the whole `patience and practicality` thing as the Summer progresses. The other concern is what if I lose some of the primary benefits if Miyabi/ISM with an as of yet unproven to me Zipang application? I don`t wanna go backwards...

Hmmm....

Saber732 said:
Why not just wait until your Civic’s Miyabi/ISM coat reaches its end of life? $420 is a hefty chunk of change to use on any car other than one of your own if it’s coming out of your pocket. 1-2 year is a long time to wait but who knows by the time Kamikaze will have release an even better coat.
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Damn I really would have liked to have given Zipang coating a shot... recently did the kamikaze miyabi and ism thing. That being said $320 is a lot to throw down on a 30ml bottle.
 
scharnhorst310 said:
Damn I really would have liked to have given Zipang coating a shot... recently did the kamikaze miyabi and ism thing. That being said $320 is a lot to throw down on a 30ml bottle.
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As far as i know, gotta be *the* costliest consumer avaliable coating out there, no?

Will be interesting to see how the claimed `semi self healing` works out. If viable, the high cost is justifiable, if not, well...

Overcoat 2 is rumoured to be a late summer release, maybe by then more will be known regarding Zipang in the real world and worth the jump with 2 new products.
 
Absolutely, the practical approach would be to wait out the life of any previously applied Kamikaze coatings. They`re doing a great job of tempting us though. Heck the bottle is gold. And they have a photo of the guy who created these products and he looks like a mad scientist, which is appealing to me.

I laugh whenever I see the title of this thread bc I`ve definitely fallen through the rabbit hole no thanks to bp1.
 
BudgetPlan1 said:
That would certainly be the wise and practical thing to do...and we know how that sometimes plays out

Even though it`s nearing 21 months, the Civic only has 12k miles on the coating(s) so I`m expecting a 48 month/30k mile lifespan, a long way down the road.

I`d expect my black 2017 Accord daily driver would be the prime candidate. Even though that coating is only 9 months old, it`s already at about 21k *hard* miles. 95% freeway driving has left the hood with some notable rock chips, passenger door near handle has some `jewelry strike` scratches and trunk has some slight scratching from lazy loading/unloading.

The coating is still doing great with regards to appearance and performance but the question is whether or not I can live with the defects for another 12 months as I expect to recoat it in Spring/Summer 2019 at around 40k miles.

We`ll see how I do with the whole `patience and practicality` thing as the Summer progresses. The other concern is what if I lose some of the primary benefits if Miyabi/ISM with an as of yet unproven to me Zipang application? I don`t wanna go backwards...

Hmmm....
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Ahh come on Budget..who is "practical" on here :)

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showbbq said:
Absolutely, the practical approach would be to wait out the life of any previously applied Kamikaze coatings. They`re doing a great job of tempting us though. Heck the bottle is gold. And they have a photo of the guy who created these products and he looks like a mad scientist, which is appealing to me.
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Got a chance to speak with him last year at the Open House; he`s quite the enthusiastic guy, that`s for sure. I mentioned how much easier the coatings make keeping a car cleaner and he went into the chemistry of why that is so; no marketing-speak, no claims of this or that just chemical names, interactions and other stuff that was way, way over my head....but interesting nonetheless. A true enthusiast for sure. Part of the appeal for me as well.

Some people like pics w/ celebrities...give me a chance to get a pic with a guy who puts useful chemicals into small little bottles and I`m all over that; I even went `formal` for the occasion:
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showbbq said:
I laugh whenever I see the title of this thread bc I`ve definitely fallen through the rabbit hole no thanks to bp1.
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Yeah, I think the thread title has kinda outlived it`s original intention, eh? Seemed like a good idea at the time.

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Ahh come on Budget..who is "practical" on here :)
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I`d imagine somewhere there might be a practical user in the true sense of the world. On the other hand, when looked at with an eye towards "I have practically every product in the Polish Angel line..." well, didn`t you recently post a pic of your Shelf of Angels?

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I`m curious about Kamikaze`s claim of "don`t use any other brand of topper, etc." except Overcoat. I am really liking my PA High Gloss...

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BudgetPlan1 said:
As far as i know, gotta be *the* costliest consumer avaliable coating out there, no?

Will be interesting to see how the claimed `semi self healing` works out. If viable, the high cost is justifiable, if not, well...

Overcoat 2 is rumoured to be a late summer release, maybe by then more will be known regarding Zipang in the real world and worth the jump with 2 new products.
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I`ve not seen a coating cost that much, especially for one 30ml bottle. I was figured it was going to be a package, miyabi + zipang, and maybe overcoat. Assuming you can do 2 coats with 30ml than do to do the "best" roughly be $400, if you could only get 1 coat than... yeah that is really expensive.

So zipang is roughly a third more expensive miyabi + ism combo. Hmm have a friend who just bought a new tahoe wants me to help him put a coating on. Maybe I can convince him to try this stuff out, 30ml though for a giant tahoe...
 
scharnhorst310 said:
I`ve not seen a coating cost that much, especially for one 30ml bottle. I was figured it was going to be a package, miyabi + zipang, and maybe overcoat. Assuming you can do 2 coats with 30ml than do to do the "best" roughly be $400, if you could only get 1 coat than... yeah that is really expensive.

So zipang is roughly a third more expensive miyabi + ism combo. Hmm have a friend who just bought a new tahoe wants me to help him put a coating on. Maybe I can convince him to try this stuff out, 30ml though for a giant tahoe...
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If going for the `BEST` on a large Tahoe, I`m thinking 30ml might not be enough for 2 coats...but ya never know, I guess.
 
BudgetPlan1 said:
As far as i know, gotta be *the* costliest consumer avaliable coating out there, no?

Will be interesting to see how the claimed `semi self healing` works out. If viable, the high cost is justifiable, if not, well...

Overcoat 2 is rumoured to be a late summer release, maybe by then more will be known regarding Zipang in the real world and worth the jump with 2 new products.
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The itch will be strongest when both Zipang and Overcoat 2 are released and Esoteric has also released reviews/instruction videos for both products lol. Self healing won`t help with the rock chips from highway driving. If you are planning to repaint, polish, re-coat relatively frequently, wouldn`t zipang and it`s longevity claims be wasted on the Accord? It may help with the jewelry and cargo scratches though. If anything, you can always repair the accord when you have some leftover miyabi/ism from doing other cars. You can re-coat the areas where you are paint correcting.


scharnhorst310 said:
I`ve not seen a coating cost that much, especially for one 30ml bottle. I was figured it was going to be a package, miyabi + zipang, and maybe overcoat. Assuming you can do 2 coats with 30ml than do to do the "best" roughly be $400, if you could only get 1 coat than... yeah that is really expensive.

So zipang is roughly a third more expensive miyabi + ism combo. Hmm have a friend who just bought a new tahoe wants me to help him put a coating on. Maybe I can convince him to try this stuff out, 30ml though for a giant tahoe...
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I doubt you`ll be able to get more than 1 coat with a 30 ml bottle with a Tahoe. You can`t even use a Miyabi 30 ml bottle as a gauge either if you are planning to do the 1 Zipang / 1 Miyabi / 1 Zipang sandwich. If the Tahoe came with something like a panoramic moon roof, that might help his cause with all the glass on the roof that doesn`t need to be coated.
 
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If going for the `BEST` on a large Tahoe, I`m thinking 30ml might not be enough for 2 coats...but ya never know, I guess.
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I`d be astonished to get 30ml to last for two coats on such a larger vehicle. I`m already stretching his budget by a healthy amount just considering zipang. More than likely it would just be zipang by itself which could be a solid first test. It would not be on a garage queen car thats first sure.
 
I`d be thrilled to give the Zipang/Miyabi sandwich a try but it`s not in my financial budget plan :P at the moment. Now if they need volunteers for real world testing..
 
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The itch will be strongest when both Zipang and Overcoat 2 are released and Esoteric has also released reviews/instruction videos for both products lol. Self healing won`t help with the rock chips from highway driving. If you are planning to repaint, polish, re-coat relatively frequently, wouldn`t zipang and it`s longevity claims be wasted on the Accord? It may help with the jewelry and cargo scratches though. If anything, you can always repair the accord when you have some leftover miyabi/ism from doing other cars. You can re-coat the areas where you are paint correcting.
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I`m screwed regardless on the rock chips that seem to be drawn to my hood unless I fix, re-paint and PPF, which, well, lets be honest here, it`s a daily driver Accord...that ain`t gonna happen. When I do decide to re-coat, be it this year for mostly Zipang curiosity`s sake or next year, will DrColorchip the big ones and let the smaller stuff ride. Probably won`t bother to fix and re-coat the jewelry and trunk marks this year as the Miyabi/ISM is still doing great and they`re very minor items that I only notice when I wash it. And I`m lazy too.

I`m guessing as summer drags on and hopefully life calms down, I`ll probably do Zipang because, well, I just can`t resist; "Know Thyself..." and all to be perfectly honest. Some night when I`m having trouble sleeping, it`ll seem like a good idea and I`ll go ahead and order it and then end up going all-in...it`s happened before. It`s not so much about protection and performance at times, curiosity sometimes makes the decisions.
 
I`m betting that 1 hour after Overcoat V2 comes out, you`ll spring for Zipang & OverCoat V2. What are hobbies good for if you avoid them? Sheesh.
 
Damn he shot down the zipang, too expensive. On the plus side we`re going to use the exo v4 I picked up on father`s day special. I applied csl + exo to a friend`s lexus 1.5 years ago and still impressed (notch or two below kamikaze look wise). Longevity wise though, his is a daily and kept outdoors (in socal, and washed regularly). It definitely has lost most of the water beading characteristics but compared to an uncoated car it is significantly easier to clean still. My biggest complaint is the work time is pretty short for csl, and I prefer something in the 5-10 minute range.
 
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