No power but light bulbs faint glow?

Stokdgs said:
Dan,

Wow ! 2 - 200amp panels !!!
But makes sense with 2 Electric Daily Drivers...
I`m not familiar with Siemens Breaker Panels but will do some research..
So there are 2 Meters outside there ? Impressive.. :)

I know, it`s always hard to know what to do, but the only sure thing I can see is that the weather has been more unpredictable and harder than I can ever remember..
We just have to decide the best way to take care of our family first and then see if we can help out neighbors..

Yeah, I know, if I was considering moving later, perhaps better to not keep investing into that house unless it becomes a "premium extra charge" to have it, when it goes up for sale..

I remember 1 year, one of my neighbors and I bought some generators, (Honda`s are quiet) and took them to people we knew who were freezing with no power, some with little kids, and connected them up to their furnaces, and refrigerators, and a couple extra extensions for lights, etc., and left them with gas and strict instructions on how to use them..

Good luck with that project..

Dan F
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2-200amp panels, one meter! Our electric company used to offer a meter that had a generator interlock...but they quit doing that.

So nice of you to set people up with generators, you probably saved them a ton of hassle and maybe their lives!
 
Gee, I`m so ignorant about our electrical service compared to you guys! All I really know is that we have one meter and a total of four breaker boxes.

And yeah, elect vehicles add a whole new dimension to this, hadn`t considered that.

Stokdgs- Somehow I`m not at all surprised that you were so helpful to those in need.
 
Accumulator said:
Gee, I`m so ignorant about our electrical service compared to you guys! All I really know is that we have one meter and a total of four breaker boxes.

And yeah, elect vehicles add a whole new dimension to this, hadn`t considered that.

Stokdgs- Somehow I`m not at all surprised that you were so helpful to those in need.
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Mi Hermano Accumulator,

You will never be ignorant that is a well known fact ! :)

All of us here have been blessed to bring what we have learned to the table so others can hear about it..

We are all glad to share what we know works; and of course none of us could ever be the Master of Finish Kare, and so many other things as you ! :)

Wow - 4 Breaker Boxes ! You must live in a Chateau or Hotel sized place ! :) How nice !

Thank you for the kindness ! That really means a lot to me..
Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
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"Gee, thanks!" vies with "oh, man... spare me" when I ponder a response ;) Eh, guess we all have our areas of relative expertise/ignorance. Make enough mistakes and you can learn a bit... if paying attention!

BUT...I oughta know more about my household`s electrical system than I do. I probably did know a little more when we did this place but if so I`ve forgotten it :o I do know which breakers I reset now and then. [INSERT rant about the first electrical contractor, whom I threw off the property after, uhm...disagreement about who`s the boss.]

And yeah..we built the "Big House with Nice Garage", but uhm, heh heh..."gotta watch what you wish for" comes to mind now and then.
 
Accumulator said:
"Gee, thanks!" vies with "oh, man... spare me" when I ponder a response ;) Eh, guess we all have our areas of relative expertise/ignorance. Make enough mistakes and you can learn a bit... if paying attention!

BUT...I oughta know more about my household`s electrical system than I do. I probably did know a little more when we did this place but if so I`ve forgotten it :o I do know which breakers I reset now and then. [INSERT rant about the first electrical contractor, whom I threw off the property after, uhm...disagreement about who`s the boss.]

And yeah..we built the "Big House with Nice Garage", but uhm, heh heh..."gotta watch what you wish for" comes to mind now and then.
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Accumulator -

Yes, we all do learn, and learn from mistakes.. :)

It is always good to label the breakers whenever you are in a panel (if they are not already labeled) so it`s much easier to know what each controls, when things might be in a crisis mode, etc.. :)

We are all happy to help and I believe at one time, there were at least 1-2 Electricians on here... Not sure of their names anymore, but they may see this thread and pop in..

I was blessed to help build giant multi-story buildings from bare ground, and since my expertise was all Telecom, I had to work with all the Electrical, Cable, Fiber, etc., Contractors that put in all wiring including electrical, which was all huge 3-Phase boxes, etc..

But I was as a much braver, sillier, youth, plugging breakers into Hot, house panels, so as to not inconvenience the people inside.. :) (the house painting gig)
The secret there is to NOT EVER touch the Buss Bar that the breakers plug into, or you will die... Secret -2 - Never stand in water while servicing Electrical anything.. Water is an excellent conductor of electricity.....
Dan F
 
BSEE
MSEE
just completed a 15 cr grad program in elec power engineering
PE in multiple states
30+ years of experience....in power engineering

this is what I`ve learned
do NOT let the smoke outta the wires :lol:
if followed, all will be good
 
Stokdgs- Heh heh, good thing they did at least label the breakers (only found a few that were mislabeled)...would`ve driven me nuts otherwise.

And those multi-story builds must`ve been very educational.

Heh heh, I *do* know about the "Brass Bar" and the perils of water..guess I know just enough to *NOT* be dangerous to myself :D

This thread reminds me that I need to get an electrician over here to attend to a few things in the Shop (absolutely *NOT* DIYing any of that).. one pair of 8` tubes that won`t start up, one outlet that does scary stuff if I try to use it, GFI that trips too often for no apparent reason..probably more.
 
Stokdgs said:
Accumulator -

Yes, we all do learn, and learn from mistakes.. :)

It is always good to label the breakers whenever you are in a panel (if they are not already labeled) so it`s much easier to know what each controls, when things might be in a crisis mode, etc.. :)

We are all happy to help and I believe at one time, there were at least 1-2 Electricians on here... Not sure of their names anymore, but they may see this thread and pop in..

I was blessed to help build giant multi-story buildings from bare ground, and since my expertise was all Telecom, I had to work with all the Electrical, Cable, Fiber, etc., Contractors that put in all wiring including electrical, which was all huge 3-Phase boxes, etc..

But I was as a much braver, sillier, youth, plugging breakers into Hot, house panels, so as to not inconvenience the people inside.. :) (the house painting gig)
The secret there is to NOT EVER touch the Buss Bar that the breakers plug into, or you will die... Secret -2 - Never stand in water while servicing Electrical anything.. Water is an excellent conductor of electricity.....
Dan F
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I`ll admit, I`m an electrician too. I did my apprenticeship in the IBEW but moved on.
To add, I always wear safety glasses when in a hot panel.
One oops could take an eye with hot molten metal.
 
Accumulator said:
Stokdgs- Heh heh, good thing they did at least label the breakers (only found a few that were mislabeled)...would`ve driven me nuts otherwise.

And those multi-story builds must`ve been very educational.

Heh heh, I *do* know about the "Brass Bar" and the perils of water..guess I know just enough to *NOT* be dangerous to myself :D

This thread reminds me that I need to get an electrician over here to attend to a few things in the Shop (absolutely *NOT* DIYing any of that).. one pair of 8` tubes that won`t start up, one outlet that does scary stuff if I try to use it, GFI that trips too often for no apparent reason..probably more.
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Accumulator --

The fixture that wont start up - probably the Ballast is going out or has gone out.. If you know you have power to that fixture, and the tubes are good, then its usually the Ballast.. It is easier to replace the Ballast when the fixture is on a workbench, but it can be replaced with the fixture in the air, its just a little harder.. You have to cut the ballast wires off, remove it, replace it, and wire nut the wires back to the right light wires, hot wire, etc....
Sometimes, the dang Ballast is as much or more than a new Fixture.. Go figure... Greedy people.. :)
You already knew that.. :)

The outlet that does erratic things - there is at least 1 loose wire in there, or the outlet is really old and/or is going bad..
It that outlet has the wires pushed into the back of it, that is not the best way to connect to an outlet but people do it because its faster..
The most positive connection will always be the nuts on the side of the outlet.. Screwdriver them down tight..

GFI/GFCI - the outlets you Love to hate when they act up... :) Is this an GFI outlet that has the 2 buttons in the center of it, or is this outlet wired to a GFI Breaker in one of your panels ?
Dan F
 
ShawnF350 said:
I`ll admit, I`m an electrician too. I did my apprenticeship in the IBEW but moved on.
To add, I always wear safety glasses when in a hot panel.
One oops could take an eye with hot molten metal.
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Yeah, Shawn !!!
I remember now, thanks for the reminder..
Hope you guys are all doing good !
Didn`t know you moved on..
What I know from all the Electricians I have ever known and worked with, it`s a really hard, dangerous, job!!!! And Electrocution is Forever...
Dan F
 
Stokdgs said:
Accumulator --

The fixture that wont start up - probably the Ballast is going out or has gone out.. If you know you have power to that fixture, and the tubes are good, then its usually the Ballast..
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That`s what I figured...but this one is at the peak of a cathedral ceiling so I won`t by DIYing it, can just *barely* change the tubes with my tallest ladder propped on top of some high blocks.

The outlet that does erratic things - there is at least 1 loose wire in there..
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Again, as I figured. I`ll shut it down and take a look some day, if I don`t get to it I`ll have it done with the light fixture.


Is this an GFI outlet that has the 2 buttons in the center of it, or is this outlet wired to a GFI Breaker in one of your panels ?
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The former. It hasn`t been acting up lately, but I haven`t plugged the Extractor`s heater cord into it for a while either (IIRC that what usually trips it).
 
Accumulator said:
That`s what I figured...but this one is at the peak of a cathedral ceiling so I won`t by DIYing it, can just *barely* change the tubes with my tallest ladder propped on top of some high blocks.



Again, as I figured. I`ll shut it down and take a look some day, if I don`t get to it I`ll have it done with the light fixture.




The former. It hasn`t been acting up lately, but I haven`t plugged the Extractor`s heater cord into it for a while either (IIRC that what usually trips it).
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Is that GFI circuit at least a 20amp circuit ? If not, then the extractor heater is too much for it, and its getting hot in there.. Or, its just another finicky outlet..

I try to avoid GFI circuits for anything because they are just annoying.. Yes, they can save lives of people who are for example, standing in water, using a hair dryer, etc., but I will never be one of those people.. :)

That one outlet that goes crazy sometimes - just taking off the plate, unscrewing the long top and bottom screws and carefully pulling it out, will usually pull the loose wire out or you will be able to see it..

I do these things all the time hot; just don`t touch the side screws, and only use 1 hand to grab the top and bottom of the outlet..

I usually put some black friction tape on all 4 of the side screws so they dont touch something when I am moving the hot outlet around, etc..
Of course, if you turn off the power to that outlet, then none of this applies..


Glad you have your things figured out..
Dan F
 
Stokdgs- Heh heh, you`re being good for my ego as I`m thinking "yeah, right, figured as much, etc." to your last responses on this stuff :D But I`m gonna trip the breaker just to be on the safe side.

I`m OK with GFIs being where they are in the shop as I do sometimes spray a lot of water everywhere...that one is just, uhm...sensitive under high loads.

And yeah, the Century`s need for two (moderately) high amp circuits has taught me a thing or two that I didn`t really need to know otherwise.
 
Accumalator --

I know what you mean regarding your Century; the Mytee HP60 with the internal 1200w heater needs a 20 amp circuit to be happy.. It will be better still if those garage circuits are dedicated only to the garage and are of course then pulled in with 12awg wire all the way to the breaker panel..
This is how I have always wired up my garages, and you know, I hope this house I`m living in today will be the last one I ever have to do.. :) This stuff makes one tired after a while..
Dan F
 
Stokdgs- Yeah, this was to be, and hopefully is, our "forever house" and we tried (with some success) to get it right.

The Shop where I detail (AKA the "New Garage" as opposed to the original 3 car one that`s part of the house) has dedicated systems for the utilities; that`s one of the four breaker boxes we have. Just unfortunate that the Last Straw with the original electrical contractor happened to be that part of the job...I could have some stuff rectified if it were unbearable but after 18 years I`ve pretty much gotten used to it and it`s close enough to OK that I`ll probably just [gripe] and moan about it. I have (barely) enough separate circuits that it`s workable.

I have an unused 220v (?240v? see how little I know..) that I`d thought I might use for a welder that I might eventually set that up as a separate high-amp circuit to make things easier. But of course it`s over at the wrong end of the shop! Downside of having things nicely finished is that I can`t easily change much of anything... "oh, we`ll just tear open the basic structure and..." Uh, no thanks, I`ll live with it as is :D
 
Accumulator said:
Stokdgs- Yeah, this was to be, and hopefully is, our "forever house" and we tried (with some success) to get it right.

The Shop where I detail (AKA the "New Garage" as opposed to the original 3 car one that`s part of the house) has dedicated systems for the utilities; that`s one of the four breaker boxes we have. Just unfortunate that the Last Straw with the original electrical contractor happened to be that part of the job...I could have some stuff rectified if it were unbearable but after 18 years I`ve pretty much gotten used to it and it`s close enough to OK that I`ll probably just [gripe] and moan about it. I have (barely) enough separate circuits that it`s workable.

I have an unused 220v (?240v? see how little I know..) that I`d thought I might use for a welder that I might eventually set that up as a separate high-amp circuit to make things easier. But of course it`s over at the wrong end of the shop! Downside of having things nicely finished is that I can`t easily change much of anything... "oh, we`ll just tear open the basic structure and..." Uh, no thanks, I`ll live with it as is :D
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Accumulator --
Hope you guys are doing ok with that awful weather !

Great that this one will be the forever house ! One can only do this so many times, and well.... you know.... :)

That 220 or 240 circuit can run a big air compressor.. Or, another Dryer... :)

I have a nice old, but in new condition Craftsman 220v air compressor, but my little power box is about maxed out and I would then have to run another ckt into the already finished garage.. Probably not going to do it.. And I`m not going to paint in the garage anymore either.. Only other use for it would be to blow out microfiber pads, that I hardly ever use..
And then you have to hear it all the time, unless you have a really big garage - hint-hint - and can build a little room for it.. :)
Dan F
 
Stokdgs- Heh heh...I`m already covered on the big(ish) compressor, it has the 220 right next to the unused one. And yeah, it does make a bit of noise but I`m used to it (have had one in every shop) and it doesn`t leak down much so it doesn`t run unless I`m using it. Heh heh, no more rooms going in anyhow! The Garage Bath already eats up enough of the Shop Floor, can`t even justify having a lift.

But then it also gets back to how the Shop is built, all the air lines are set in the concrete/epoxy-stone floor, so that compressor setup is permanent for better or worse (ditto for the water lines).

Already got the Dryer on its own too, so the Welder one really is an EXTRA circuit I could put to use.

I dunno how you get by without having your compressor hooked up, it`d drive me nuts to have it there unused! But then I use mine every time I do much of anything, couldn`t get by without it really.

And we escaped any real Winter Weather this time :D Just enough light snow to look pretty (and make a mess of the A8).
 
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