What coating to try next...

Used The Gloss Shop Ceramic coating today.

Anyway, will probably drop anther coat first thing tomorrow morning to see what happens.

2nd coat this morning, about 12 hrs later. Increased gloss a bit, went even further than yesterday. Ended up using about 75% of 50ml bottle to do 2 coats on Ford Econoline E250 van. Went with pretty consistent 3:45-4:00 minute intervals between beginning section and wipe off, bit cooler around 62 degrees this morning. Seemed to wipe off a bit easier...but that could be due to being 2nd coat as well. All in all, quite pleased considering how far it goes and reasonable cost.

Looks nice so far...for a van with 100k + miles.

Starting 2016 Ford Transit Extended Van today...also give me chance to try recently rec`d Sonax Perfect Finish with the Flex, figure a LC Orange Hybrid Force Pad (will try white first) as this van is in pretty good shape; then 2 coats of Gyeon Prime. Likely be last van until mid-april when I try Dr. Beasley`s Nano Resin (or perhaps break van up into 8 panels/sections and try a different coating on each panel; i have leftovers of all except Gyeon Mohs)

In between, owner here hinted that his new 2017 Ruby Red Ford Explorer will be sitting idle in warehouse next week "If I wanna work on a car for a change..."; probably 22ple HPC for that.

Weather looking up for next week or so here so the days of correcting/coating work vans is drawing to a close...my credit card will be thankful but it`s been kinda entertaining trying all these coatings. For some reason, I still like Gtechniq Crystal Serum Light + Liquid Crystal c2v3 best for reasons I can`t explain. Will have to try to get all coated vehicles washed and lined up some day in the sun and see how they all look next to each other.

Cars will seem so small after all of this, especially after this weeks extended Ford Transit van.
 
The cars will be like matchbox after working on all those vans and trucks. Look forward to results
 
The cars will be like matchbox after working on all those vans and trucks. Look forward to results
Boy, sure looking forward to that. Figure I got about 2 more vans in me and that`ll about do it as far as coating guinea pigs go. Started decon on the Transit Extended van today; thank God for Nanoskin Prep mitts...that roof alone is endless. Claying that thing would take forever folding, kneading and so forth.

All the Service Techs come back next week so I`ll be able to start seeing how stuff holds up in actual use.

Has been nice working in a spacious warehouse as opposed to my garage; electricity, compressed air, water sources everywhere in addition to SPACE...lotsa space for tables, carts and stuff.
 
Finally some decent rain; the below pics show the hoods of various vehicles, none of which have been washed (or touched in any way) since coating application. Vehicles have been likely driven less than 250 miles since coating other wise have spent all their time sitting outside in parking lot.

Gtechniq Crystal Serum light w/ Liquid Crystal C2V3 (applied maybe 3 weeks ago)
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Gyeon Mohs (2 layers) w/ Gyeon Cure as part of Mohs application (applied around 2/23/2017)
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CQuartz (Classic?) + Gyeon Cure as part of application (applied around mid January I believe)
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As far as slickness (as carefully and scientifically tested by me blowing lightly on the hood and watching water disperse) appears to be (best to worse):

1. CSL
2. Pearl Nano
3. Gyeon Mohs
4. Cquartz

The next victim is the below van; pretty good shape overall, just a few deeper (catch a fingernail) scratches. Will probably keep the GG6 out w/ D300 and microfiber cutting discs for spots here and there that `need a little more` and go over whole thing using Sonax Perfect Finish w/ Flex 3401, Lake County Force Hybrid white pad. Tried a few spots this morning, orange pad v. white pad and may as well just go for the white (speed 5 on Flex, 4 medium pressure passes, 2 light pressure) or until the SPF turns almost clear and appears to be completely worked through its cycle. That`s gonna tire me out, especially if I use the 6.5" Force pads with all the `up above your head, down to the floor` nature of these ^%$#@ vans...but it`s all I got right now. Would love to be able to knock it out after work today and coat with 2 coats of Gyeon Prime tomorrow night but I dunno...might be a tall order with the Flex and wanna go slow to insure fully working through the SPF cycle.
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Coating Stash (thankfully a few different sites have been doing 20-25% off lately)
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Kinda looking forward to the 22ple...not much banter about it lately and it is a bit `up there` in terms of cost; HPC is their `mid-level` offering:
$ - VX3 Signature Glass Coating
$$ - HPC High Performance Coating
$$$ - VX Pro2 Glass Coating

The Gloss Shop Ceramic van will be released into the wild tomorrow after I give it a bit `o Gyeon Cure to protect it as it fully cures.

Getting kinda weary as, while interesting and entertaining, it`s tough to work all day, then turn attention to vehicles at night and then go home and do the `detailing laundry`. Lately have been getting here around 4am to get a bit of work done on vehicles before workday starts at 6am which will usually get me outta here around 7pm after resuming work on vehicles at 3pm each day. The prep/decon on some of these is pretty bad w/ years of tar, tree sap and other nonsense on lower body panels. Add in the tire scrubbing/prep (usually 4 cycles per tire to get clean) prior to Tuff Shine application and the plastic trim prep/coating (just discovered WETS) and I`m slowing down a bit.

The plus side is a lot or time with the Flex and Rupes (getting better with them), getting to see the shiny vehicles each day and getting to try a lot of different products. One of our Service Managers just picked up a newer Toyata Camry and asked if I could do to it "What you`ve been doing to the vans...". Sure, I say...could likely take care of the entire roof of a Camry in 4 section passes w/ a big pad in the Flex.
 

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22ple HPC...well, this was interesting. Got a chance to try this coating yesterday.

Cliff Notes: Kinda strange application characteristics but overall is blindingly easy, product is forgiving as all get out with respect to removal, very high gloss and very slick.

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Product Description:
This coating utilizes silica powder which is significantly more expensive than liquid silica and delivers superior performance. On top of utilizing silica powder, HPC features a unique formulation of high grade fluorine. What does all this mean? The powdered silica improves the already outstanding 22ple gloss and the high grade fluorine gives amazing water beading results. This takes coatings to a new level and will really make your paint stand out against the rest. Gloss, gloss, gloss and more gloss! Your car will look like it is entirely coated in glass! Prior to coating be sure to thoroughly clean an polish the paint because HPC will last 3 ~ 4 years. Approximately 20-25 ml is recommended for a mid/large size car.

The victim was yet another fleet vehicle, a 2016 Ford Transit-250 Extended Cargo Van. Pretty good shape so just went over it with Sonax Perfect Finish, Flex 3401 w/ LC Force Hybrid white pad, then prepped by going over twice with Gyeon Prep.

Application was odd, for me in this case anyway. I began applying with Gyeon foam block/microsuede applicator cloth. I did have the recommended 22ple applicator block (below; had to purchase seperately for $5 as no applicator is included with product) but the thing is so small I figured I`d be there forever:
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Anyway, the HPC didn`t apply very smoothly using the Gyeon block/cloth; initial contact with the surface and a loaded applicator/cloth was very grabby and uneven, even after the block/cloth got a bit saturated on successive panels. Each section the first swipes seemed to flash nearly immediately but you were able to eventually smooth/distribute the product evenly on each panel; it just din`t have that `gliding` feel as most coatings do. Possibly due to the fluorine in the product? Have heard the same anecdotal experience of quick flashing with Gyeon Booster which is fluorine based? I dunno, I ain`t no chemist, all I know is it did not have a smooth, gliding application using the block/microsuede cloth deal.

So I decided to give the 22ple applicator block a try. It certainly applied smoother bu the very thin layer gray of whatever it is that touches the paint would `catch` very easily if not perfectly flat on surface; almost fumbled/dropped this a few times. At this point I had also increased my `arm speed` of application to help with the quick flashing of the initial swipe. Still not confident of easy, even coverage I grabbed one of those yellow/gray LC applicator blocks and gave it a try:
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OK...now we`re getting somewhere...easy to hold, doesn`t try to fold under as easily as the 22ple block...horrible screeching noise at times as it moves over the paint but if applying quickly enough, good, even application...`quickly` being the operative word when I was applying the HPC. Best method came to be dropping about 6 to 8 drops on the applicator and then going over a panel or section as quickly as I could, back and forth, up and down. It was actually near frantic but the product was forgiving enough that once spread on the panel could be gone over a few times to even out the coverage. For whatever reason, a slower `first wipe` with a freshly loaded applicator wasn`t smooth or even but if ya hit the panel running and continued with quick movements, it all came out very evenly. And because of whatever chemistry is involved in this product, removal intervals were pretty much irrelevant (within reason of course...guessing coming back an hour later might lead to issues).

Anyway, once I got going I was able to apply to the entire top half of one side of the van, wander around a bit congratulating myself on how skillful I was, and then remove the flashed product. Wipe off was ridiculously easy using a Gyeon Polish Wipe towel, not much pressure needed, no pushing any coating residue to adjacent panel...stuff removed pretty much like a sealant or liquid wax. Followed up with a light buff using another towel and was left with a very slick, very glossy surface. Will do second coat about 20hrs after initial, perhaps it will glide more during application. Will then follow up with 22ple VS1 Final Coat and call it a day. And a month. And quite possibly a year when it comes to working on vans.

At around a list price of around $110 for 30ml, certainly not the cheapest game in town so we`ll see if effectiveness and longevity justify the higher initial price point. Wasn`t sure if I was gonna have enough (started with two 30ml bottles) to do entire van twice so I used Pearl Nano on the seemingly endless roof of the van. Coating all panels once except for the roof used about 20-25ml of HPC. A 50ml bottle *might* have made it thru 2 coats on all panels but roof; it woulda been close.

Painted surfaces look and feel great after application, can`t wait to see how it does in daily use.
 

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Yeah this is supposedly referred to as TiO2. BAsically regular cquartz or cquartz classic. I stumbled upon that combo on Autogeek. Seems to be somewhat common as I saw another post on the carpro forum on a blue truck.
Blue Ford? That was probably my thread you saw (possibly)

Putting down UK before Classic is a fantastic combo. Just be sure to note that Classic will be ready for removal much faster when layered on UK vs applying standalone.

Living in Canada, this combo makes sense. UK holds up much better in our terrible climate than Classic, so the UK becomes a strong base coat, and the Classic becomes the more hydrophobic layer. Just top off with Reload and you`re good to go 👍

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22ple HPC 2nd coat was uneventful using Gyeon block and microsuade cloth. Went on pretty much like other coatings.

This stuff is just so easy to use, despite the somewhat unconventional `feel` during application of first coat. Pretty much applied to half of one side of van at a time. At about 64 degrees, just a light buff off and no worries about high spots.

Probably the best way to describe final appearance (after VS1 Final Coat) ...gloss. It is of the `molten glass` variety. Much more so than the Cquartz on its sister vehicle, which was pretty much in the same condition immediately before coating.

It was a very entertaining product to use and final appearance is (to my tastes) quite stunning on the red, non metallic paint. Would be great if this one has legs and it`s self-cleaning abilities measure up.
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@Budgetplan1
First of all, an excellent thread that matches my style of work with the coatings and other products in general i.e. Trying something new every time and refine the "what`s best" list.
I am outside US though so acquiring coatings isn`t the easiest.

Give the sonax cc36 a try please and share feedback on comparison with others. I don`t recall to have seen it needs PNS topping after six months (their prior semi coating mentioned that but not cc36). On Autopia today it`s on reduced price and 15% on top so about 30+% reduction.

Also give IGL quartz a try and you will be pleased. In the hottest of temps I did 2 layers on a C class and one more on good and still had 6-7ml left and I apply thick. Here`s some eye candy for you (captured from iPhone ):

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Another coating for you to try is nanolex Si3d (available in US by a slightly different name than si3d on detailersdomain):

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@Budgetplan1
First of all, an excellent thread that matches my style of work with the coatings and other products in general i.e. Trying something new every time and refine the "what`s best" list.
I am outside US though so acquiring coatings isn`t the easiest.
Yep...that was kinda the point of the exercise...find something that mixes performance and appearance...

Give the sonax cc36 a try please and share feedback on comparison with others. I don`t recall to have seen it needs PNS topping after six months (their prior semi coating mentioned that but not cc36). On Autopia today it`s on reduced price and 15% on top so about 30+% reduction.
I considered it but the application instructions noted applying PNS to it after 6 months; if I got apply something else after 6 months...not worth my trouble.

Also give IGL quartz a try and you will be pleased. In the hottest of temps I did 2 layers on a C class and one more on good and still had 6-7ml left and I apply thick.

Looked into it, don`t think a consumer/non-pro could get it...but I did try!

Now that all vehicles are going in and out each day, not really able to prep/correct/try on any more vehicles for a while. Still have Gyeon Prime and Dr. Beasleys Nano Coat sitting here that I didn`t get to. Will have to find a vehicle to try those on at some point.

As for the ones I did try, will have to watch to see how longevity/self-cleaning abilities hold up. Based on application and initial looks to me they rank (best to worse):
1. 22ple HPC (2 layers) + VS1 Final Coat - By far the glossiest, application is crazy easy. Super-slick finish. This one may have made me change my mind on what I was gonna put on my personal cars this Spring if longevity and self-cleaning abilities match it`s initial appearance. A bit pricey compared to the others.
2. Gtechniq Crystal Serum Light (1 layer) + Liquid Crystal C2V3 - Darkened paint, good gloss, easy application
3. Pearl Nano - 2 part Base Coat + Top Coat - This will be interesting; tha application smell, feel and final looks reminded me of Kamikaze Miyabi + ISM; if it performs the same, definite winner at a slightly lower cost than the Kami combo (which I currently have on a personal car and has performed amazingly over the last 6 months.
4. Gloss Shop Ceramic Coating (2 layers): Excellent looks on a dark metallic vehicle, easy application, low cost. If it holds up this could be a very good lower cost option to `name brand` coatings
5. Gyeon Mohs (2 layers) + Gyeon Cure - Looks OK, glossy enough but nothing really stood out to me on this one. I was hoping to have my socks knocked off because I love me some Gyeon stuff.
6. Cquartz `Classic`? (1 layer) - Regular consumer version of CQuartz - Application was easy, about 30-40ml covered entire 2016 Ford E250 Transit Extended Van. Was not super-slick so I went over with some Gyeon Cure. It has kinda gown on me a bit since application though.

I think that`s all...for now.:D
 
22ple HPC 2nd coat was uneventful using Gyeon block and microsuade cloth. Went on pretty much like other coatings.

This stuff is just so easy to use, despite the somewhat unconventional `feel` during application of first coat. Pretty much applied to half of one side of van at a time. At about 64 degrees, just a light buff off and no worries about high spots.

Probably the best way to describe final appearance (after VS1 Final Coat) ...gloss. It is of the `molten glass` variety. Much more so than the Cquartz on its sister vehicle, which was pretty much in the same condition immediately before coating.

It was a very entertaining product to use and final appearance is (to my tastes) quite stunning on the red, non metallic paint. Would be great if this one has legs and it`s self-cleaning abilities measure up.
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Well, that lasted a whole 10 days before Tech catches garage door with roof; eh, such is life.
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Finally got to try the Gyeon Prime today on a black metallic Focus. Hadda be a quick deal after work so Flex 3401, orange LC Force orange pad & M101.took care of prep and left a pretty= good finish. 2 coats Prime will hit with Cure tomorrow. Nice looking coating, kinda economical. Strengths are supposed to be water behavior and durability a claimed 12 months.

The GYEON Prime was very easy application, apply, wipe off a minute or so later. Easy removal/buffing. Suede applicator cloth hardened after use for whatever that`s worth.
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You have been added to the bad influence list along with Ron....

Ordered Miyabi/ ISM, 22ple HPC/VS1, PA Cosmic kit.

Thinking Miyabi on Vette, 22ple on Mercedes and PA on Cruze.....
 
You have been added to the bad influence list along with Ron....

Ordered Miyabi/ ISM, 22ple HPC/VS1, PA Cosmic kit.

Thinking Miyabi on Vette, 22ple on Mercedes and PA on Cruze.....

Anything I can do to help folks spend money on product although not sure anyone can surpass Ron...I open my boxes when they arrive.

Between Kamikaze and 22ple, Kami is a softer glow although it really does something unique w/ metallic...kinda really brings it out. 22ple is a `max gloss` kinda thing. Was gonna use it on our black Vette (non metallic) to get the greatest gloss. Went with the Kami on the black metallic WRX for durability (year round driver) and the characteristics of it on the heavily metallic paint. Will likely not re-do the Vette this year as the WG Uber is still performing well (put away for winter).

The Kamikaze combo on our metallic blue Civic is really nice too and when I want to add some extra pop/gloss to it I get out the Polish Angel High Gloss spritz which really gives a nice, sharper, harder gloss when I wanna look at that for a bit. The Kami combo sure does stay clean regardless; could be the Miyabi/ISM and/or the Kamkaze Overcoat but it`s quite impressive. I wish I had some solid evidence of the 22ple durability but it`s only been a month since i put it on fleet van and so far, quite excellent.
 
I had my 2017 Allroad coated with Nanolex by Phil Of Detailer`s Domain. Only a few months old, but I`m impressed.Anyone else give this a try?
 
Got around to using Gyeon Prime again this past weekend; some kinda mint green Toyota Camry. Application was very easy, flashed and ready for removal in about 1m 30s...very easy light buff off at that time (60 degrees indoor warehouse). Time will tell but it seems to be a nice, middle of the road choice, somewhat economical if bought on sale. The little baby bottle of Cure is a nice addition to the kit. Hard, glossy look to it.

Went with 1 more liberal coat on Camry with 30ml bottle. Somehow I thought Camrys were smaller.

Washed last week`s Focus with Gyeon Bathe+ and Gyeon Wetcoat. Finally got to see it in sun as its rained 9 outta the past 10 days. Looks a a bit glossier after a week.

Almost forgot, but still have a bottle of Dr. Beasley`s Nano Resin to try...
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I had my 2017 Allroad coated with Nanolex by Phil Of Detailer`s Domain. Only a few months old, but I`m impressed.Anyone else give this a try?

Not much info out there on it and they have a different version on DD than what you find any reviews on. Interested but then again lots of us are interested in all coatings hence BudgetPlan`s thread lol


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Quick Picture Update:

Applied...best I can recall

Cquartz - 01-31-2017 (topped with Gyeon Cure after application)
Gyeon Mohs - 02/19/2017 (topped with Gyeon Cure after application) - 2 layers
CSL - 02/28/2017 or thereabouts (topped with Liquid Crystal C2V3 after application) - 2 layers
Pearl Nano - 03/20-2017 - base coat + top coat
Gloss Shop Ceramic Coating - 03/27/2017 - 2 layers
22ple HPC - 03/31/2017 (topped with VS1 Final Coat after application) - 2 layers

In short:
- Vehicles have rec`d absolutely no attention from me since application day; no wash, no wipe down...nothing.
- Weather here in NE Ohio has ranged from nice and sunny to snowy to light rain to monsoon rain, vehicles sit outside all the time for the most part, daily driven since March.
- The one thing that stands out is the self-cleaning abilities...22ple HPC in a landslide. Thing just always looks good.

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As far as ranking the self cleaning/looks of them (with no upkeep whatsoever), they for the most part fall into 3 groups:

Amazing - Very few water spots: 22ple HPC

Good - Some water spotting but from 2ft away, still look very good: Gyeon Mohs and Pearl Nano

Average - Water spots like it just rained on a dusty car - Looks OK from about 2ft but spotting visible from that distance: CSL & The Gloss Shop Ceramic

Didn`t see the Cquartz coated vehicle today but I seem to recall it would likely fall in between amazing and good, tending towards good.

The 22plc HPC is simply otherwordly at this point in comparison to the others, rivaling the Kamikaze Miyabi + ISM I have on one of our daily drivers (applied 10/2015...that thing just always looks clean also). Will be doing a black Honda SUV this week with the 22ple HPC and I`ll see this car every day in the parking lot too so we`ll see if results are consistent.

All vehicles are beading quite nicely as of our 9 straight days of rain last week.

Perhaps the CSL would rival the 22ple if`n I had topped it with EXO. I did order up some TAC Systems Moonlight whihc I`m gonna try by itself on a prepped hood of a vehicle and well as a prepped hood with CSL applied before the Moonlight. Not sure what that`ll prove but what the heck.
 

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