Advice on filling swirls, will this process work?

[WaxAddict]

Maybe use BH/EX/Souveran all the time. You have sealant under the wax so even when the wax gives way, the EX is there to protect until you get a chance to reapply the Souveran and enjoy all the good car karma that goes with that process. Some of these waxes like Souveran, P21, Lusso Oro, Rainforest Rub - they exist for us to have fun with. So have fun.

 

[Poorboy]

That`s about as long as I could stand to go without getting the itch to re-do it so it should be perfect then!

You may soon be qualified to be in the Wax Wasters Club

Maybe use BH/EX/Souveran all the time. You have sealant under the wax so even when the wax gives way, the EX is there to protect until you get a chance to reapply the Souveran and enjoy all the good car karma that goes with that process. Some of these waxes like Souveran, P21, Lusso Oro, Rainforest Rub - they exist for us to have fun with. So have fun.

exactly !!! They are all just sacrificial layers as the clearcoat is a pretty good protection of the paint

 

[nickclark08]

FK1000p is a solid performer by itself. Even though it comes as a "paste wax", it`s really a super wax/sealant. I use it on my DD, and two layers at least a day apart can get you 4-6 months. To specifically answer your question, yes, a great winter wax (though, I use it year-round), and you would use is as the sealant (i.e., the "base layer", not the "wax topper").

I think what Accumulator was getting at is use PBBH to fill the swirls, then try a couple layers of FK1000p. I`ve never tried FK over the Black Hole, but if Ron thinks it will work, I would trust him. He might have more experience than anyone (besides Poorboy`s themselves) using Poorboys products.

If wanting to use the BH/EX/Souveran combo, this should be a great combo for the summer time. The BH/FK1000p would be the more durable option to last for the winter.

Hope this helps.

Have been reading the forum and FK1000p gets a lot of good reviews. But can it be used after a sealant? Or should it be used in place of a sealant?

I`m thinking since it apparently has superior durability that if I could use it with Klasse SG that the pair could be perfect for putting on in late Fall to cover the winter. Maybe use BH/EX/Souveran in the summer then switch to KSG/FK1000p for the winter. Is that possible or would it be FK1000p by itself?

 

[Accumulator]

Have been reading the forum and FK1000p gets a lot of good reviews. But can it be used after a sealant? Or should it be used in place of a sealant?

I`m thinking since it apparently has superior durability that if I could use it with Klasse SG that the pair could be perfect for putting on in late Fall to cover the winter. Maybe use BH/EX/Souveran in the summer then switch to KSG/FK1000p for the winter. Is that possible or would it be FK1000p by itself?

Use the Fk1000P in place of a sealant. While it`s called a "High Temperature Wax" in reality it`s just a sealant in paste form.

No need for underlying KSG. Consider that my previous sealant approach was ~6 layers of KSG. I replaced that regimen with 1-2 layers of FK1000P because it provides at least as much protection for at least as long and also sheds contamination *better* and, IMO looks *much* better. And two layers (one initial application, the second after the next regularly-scheduled wash) is a *LOT* easier and more convenient than six layers applied over the course of six consecutive days (which gave me the best KSG results, hands-down).

And FK1000P is easier to apply than KSG for most people (note that most people use a zillion times more KSG than is needed; one ounce is way more than enough for a Suburban). Eh, most people use more of *every* LSP than they need to...IMO if you can see it on the paint before you buff it off you probably used too much.

IME there are only two benefits that KSG has over other (conventional, i.e., non-coating) LSPs:

1) the way it can, *if heavily layered and I don`t mean just 3-4*, provide a rather thick (relatively speaking) "plasticy build-film" which can impart a *VERY SLIGHT* physical barrier between the paint and the environment. For that reason I continue use it on high-gloss exterior black plastics.

2) similarly, it`s easy to use, and effective, on textured exterior plastic/rubber trim. Apply it *VERY THIN* using the wipe-on-wipe-off method (don`t let it flash before you buff it off). Other LSPs can be used this way too (I`ve done it with FK1000P), but the chance of an "!oops!" is so great that, well...don`t try this at home, kids (major exception being Collinite 845, used as per the KSG it`s idiot proof).

Gotta try Ron`s PBBH under FK1000P some time...but FK1000P lasts so long that it`ll be ages before I reLSP anything.

 

[RaskyR1]

If you`re still seeing swirls after the Klasse twins and Souveran, it`s possible the swirls are simply too deep to be filled...

 

[Accumulator]

If you`re still seeing swirls after the Klasse twins and Souveran, it`s possible the swirls are simply too deep to be filled...

I`ve never experienced any filling with KSG and/or Souveran. IIRC some people *have* had KSG do some filling, but it never happened for me.

 

[RaskyR1]

I`ve never experienced any filling with KSG and/or Souveran. IIRC some people *have* had KSG do some filling, but it never happened for me.

I wasn`t implying anything, just that IME all waxes, sealants, AIO`s, and polishes fill to some degree. With 3 products already on the paint I can`t imagine there would be much difference and I think the OP may be expecting too much from the fillers. Just my $.02

 

[MackCollier]

Use the Fk1000P in place of a sealant. While it`s called a "High Temperature Wax" in reality it`s just a sealant in paste form.

No need for underlying KSG. Consider that my previous sealant approach was ~6 layers of KSG. I replaced that regimen with 1-2 layers of FK1000P because it provides at least as much protection for at least as long and also sheds contamination *better* and, IMO looks *much* better. And two layers (one initial application, the second after the next regularly-scheduled wash) is a *LOT* easier and more convenient than six layers applied over the course of six consecutive days (which gave me the best KSG results, hands-down).

And FK1000P is easier to apply than KSG for most people (note that most people use a zillion times more KSG than is needed; one ounce is way more than enough for a Suburban). Eh, most people use more of *every* LSP than they need to...IMO if you can see it on the paint before you buff it off you probably used too much.

IME there are only two benefits that KSG has over other (conventional, i.e., non-coating) LSPs:

1) the way it can, *if heavily layered and I don`t mean just 3-4*, provide a rather thick (relatively speaking) "plasticy build-film" which can impart a *VERY SLIGHT* physical barrier between the paint and the environment. For that reason I continue use it on high-gloss exterior black plastics.

2) similarly, it`s easy to use, and effective, on textured exterior plastic/rubber trim. Apply it *VERY THIN* using the wipe-on-wipe-off method (don`t let it flash before you buff it off). Other LSPs can be used this way too (I`ve done it with FK1000P), but the chance of an "!oops!" is so great that, well...don`t try this at home, kids (major exception being Collinite 845, used as per the KSG it`s idiot proof).

Gotta try Ron`s PBBH under FK1000P some time...but FK1000P lasts so long that it`ll be ages before I reLSP anything.

Now that I understand that FK1000p is more a sealant than wax, I`ll definitely look at going with it over BH in the future. I have to say I love how KSG looks on the car now, but it took much trial and error to figure out how little to apply and the long curing times, I was typically waiting 24 hours inbetween layers. Sounds like FK1000p would be much easier to apply and remove, with similar durability as KSG. It`s definitely on the shopping list for next time, thanks!

 

[nickclark08]

apply in thin layers and keep it off trim, you should be golden! good luck!

 

[Accumulator]

I wasn`t implying anything, just that IME all waxes, sealants, AIO`s, and polishes fill to some degree. With 3 products already on the paint I can`t imagine there would be much difference and I think the OP may be expecting too much from the fillers. Just my $.02

Eh, hope I didn`t come across as being contentious or anything, didn`t intend that. The "all LSPs fill to some extent" concept makes perfect sense to me, I just can`t recall it ever working out that way for me IRL for some reason! Maybe I overkill the inspection too much or don`t have the right kind (i.e., really *really* fine) marring or...who knows what. Just one of those YMMV things I guess. I can almost remember who it was here...wannfbody perhaps?...who said how great KSG filled for him and while I`m 100% confident that was his experience, I just couldn`t get it to work for me...wish it would on those gloss black plastic "B pillars"!

Now that I understand that FK1000p is more a sealant than wax, I`ll definitely look at going with it over BH in the future. I have to say I love how KSG looks on the car now, but it took much trial and error to figure out how little to apply and the long curing times, I was typically waiting 24 hours inbetween layers. Sounds like FK1000p would be much easier to apply and remove, with similar durability as KSG. It`s definitely on the shopping list for next time, thanks!

If you do try FK1000P I hope you like it as much as I do. KSG has a definite "signature look" and FK1000P looks quite different (at least to me).

For some reason I`ve always found KSG *VERY* user-friendly! Might be the only guy here who does, but that`s just more YMMV stuff. My only gripe with it (well, other than how it looks) was having to keep the vehicle off the road for so long while I layered it.

As for the durability, see how two layers of FK1000P compares with [however many] layers of KSG *for you*. I was astounded that the FK lasted longer and kept cleaning up better, even on wheels.

 

[Larry A]

What about BH followed by Collinite 476.

 

[Accumulator]

What about BH followed by Collinite 476.

That would almost certainly look better than the BH followed by FK1000P on any colors other than white/silver/etc. Just wouldn`t last as long before needing redone.

 

[MackCollier]

I received the BH and EX today and used both. Perhaps I didn`t apply correctly, but I saw no visible improvement in the swirls.

I just applied to the hood. I washed the entire hood, then clayed the entire hood and washed again. Then I applied Klasse AIO. Then I applied the BH to just one half of the hood and saw no improvement. I applied and let it sit for about a minute, and buffed off. I did this 3 more times and still saw no improvement. At this point I added the EX sealant, and that didn`t seem to add any filling either. I then added 2 layers of Souveran, and still no filling.

The only positive I noticed from using the Poorboy`s products was that flakes in the paint seem to pop out a bit more now. But I really saw no filling of the swirls. Did I do something wrong?

 

[Ronkh]

I received the BH and EX today and used both. Perhaps I didn`t apply correctly, but I saw no visible improvement in the swirls.

I just applied to the hood. I washed the entire hood, then clayed the entire hood and washed again. Then I applied Klasse AIO. Then I applied the BH to just one half of the hood and saw no improvement. I applied and let it sit for about a minute, and buffed off. I did this 3 more times and still saw no improvement. At this point I added the EX sealant, and that didn`t seem to add any filling either. I then added 2 layers of Souveran, and still no filling.

The only positive I noticed from using the Poorboy`s products was that flakes in the paint seem to pop out a bit more now. But I really saw no filling of the swirls. Did I do something wrong?

You need to let klasse cure........ But bh really doesn`t play will with klasse.

And you may need 2 coats of bh

Look for a thread of mine called it`s a cover up

 

[Poorboy]

You need to let klasse cure........ But bh really doesn`t play will with klasse.

And you may need 2 coats of bh

Look for a thread of mine called it`s a cover up

you will not see the products fill as the Klasse is sealing the surface and will not allow the Black Hole to do its job .. try removing the klasse from a section and then redo without

 

[Ronkh]

Probably won`t come up due to the `

So here are some pics:
Dealer washed car with brush, then dried....... Looked a lot worse in person:

After 1 app of BH

After 2 apps of bh

After Natty`s blue

Next day in sun

 

[MackCollier]

you will not see the products fill as the Klasse is sealing the surface and will not allow the Black Hole to do its job .. try removing the klasse from a section and then redo without

I went back and checked the thread and I wasn`t very clear. I had asked about using the Klasse twins and I believe Ron said no, but I assumed that meant that Klasse SG was the problem, but it looks like both you and he were actually saying that NEITHER AIO or SG would work well with BH?

Just to clarify....I can`t use Klasse All-In-One with the BH?

Assuming that`s the case, what`s the best way to remove AIO? Yes I am well on my way to wasting wax

 

[Poorboy]

I went back and checked the thread and I wasn`t very clear. I had asked about using the Klasse twins and I believe Ron said no, but I assumed that meant that Klasse SG was the problem, but it looks like both you and he were actually saying that NEITHER AIO or SG would work well with BH?

Just to clarify....I can`t use Klasse All-In-One with the BH?

Assuming that`s the case, what`s the best way to remove AIO? Yes I am well on my way to wasting wax

yes klasse doesn`t play well with others

a light polish should remove the AIO

just curious but is this a repaint ?

 

[nickclark08]

To add (in case another point of confusion):
The Blackhole should be the first thing applied to the clean / clayed paint, then your Sealant (EX, FK1000p, Collinite 476, etc.), then your wax topper (Souveran).

As Poorboys mentioned, applying BH over an existing selant or wax won`t let the fillers do their job.

Nick

 

[MackCollier]

yes klasse doesn`t play well with others

a light polish should remove the AIO

just curious but is this a repaint ?

Original paint. Does Poorboy`s make a product that would clean the AIO off the paint without affecting the clearcoat? I really don`t want to remove any of the clearcoat, I would much rather fill the swirls then seal, which is why I bought BH and EX to begin with. Thanks!