Help with Black Fire

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cmk-2

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Hello all,

I have used and loved BFWD and BFMS for years and love the results but... There HAS to be a different product that does not require 4 coats to be effective; 2 coats BFWD and another two coats of BFMD. Taking a vehicle off the road for 4 and a half DAYS just to seal it (some people on this forum say 8 hours between coats and some say 24 hours and then another 24 for BFMS to harden) is getting too difficult when you have a life and have to pick up your child at school, go to work and such. So what other product is there that does almost as good a job but doesn`t require such extreme down time????
 
Seal it with BFWD. One coat is all you need. If you have to top then use Midnight Sun Spray Wax. I used it as a final wipe right after using BFWD. No issues doing that.
 
The Guz said:
Seal it with BFWD. One coat is all you need. If you have to top then use Midnight Sun Spray Wax. I used it as a final wipe right after using BFWD. No issues doing that.
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Any chance at longevity testing?

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Sounds a little extreme. I thought BFWD typically needed about 12 hours between coats, but could be topped with midnight sun immediately, and no real down time between coats of the midnight sun. Isn`t it just a natural wax? Does wax typically "cure" or isn`t it pretty much apply and its good? I`m not trying to make a point, actually asking myself.
 
ShaneB said:
Sounds a little extreme. I thought BFWD typically needed about 12 hours between coats, but could be topped with midnight sun immediately, and no real down time between coats of the midnight sun. Isn`t it just a natural wax? Does wax typically "cure" or isn`t it pretty much apply and its good? I`m not trying to make a point, actually asking myself.
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cmk-2, this is the way I`ve done my van for the past three years, so I`m familiar with it.

Applying two coats of BFWD is unnecessary (but possibly desirable if you have the time). One will suffice. It does require some cure time. Eight hours is fine. BFMS is ready to go as soon as it`s applied, and only one coat of it has worked well for me.

But even though this suggestion takes away one application of BFWD, its cure time, and an application of BFMS, it`s still a long process.


  1. Wash with LSP-stripping shampoo mix
  2. Clay or clay alternative using Iron X Paste as lube
  3. Spray Iron X over areas not clayed
  4. Rinse
  5. Apply BFGEP
  6. Apply BFWD
  7. Apply BFMS

I`m ashamed to admit this, but this is a five-day job for me. I`m too out of shape and lazy to tackle this in the way I`d like, which would be to do everything except the BFMS on the first day. I just don`t have it in me right now.

I`m sure I found a source for the information, but I don`t recall the source now, though I`m pretty sure my information was gathered on this forum.

I`m sending you a private message.
 
Sometimes a certain approach is simply what you have to do to get the exact result you want, maybe this is one of those cases. I dunno as I`ve never used those products. But I *have* used BF`s GEP topped with AFPP, and it was a unique look for a sealant. It wasn`t a look that *I* liked on that paint (in fact, I stripped it off and I hardly ever do that), but it was kinda special.

That said, these days I`m all about protection and durability and I want to do one, maybe two, applications and be done with it for basically the whole year. But I`m not as particular as most Autopians about that final ~5% that the LSP contributes.
 
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