Rupes 21 -vs- Rupes 21 Mark II

Thanks Todd,
That's the best explanation I never expected..lol
I'm sold
I would think being a hobbyist it's fine having the Mark 1 models.
Did they improve the motor on the mini as well? Though I've never experienced that stalling on me.

You're very welcome, thank you for asking the question :)

The Mark I will still be the same great tool it is - that is it is the tool that very much rewrote how paint correction is accomplished. It will remain as effective and as efficient as ever!

The Duetto and Mini carry on unchanged into 2016. The orbital movement of a 4 inch pad with a 12mm throw doesn't require a lot of input and the motor already produces significant torque. It doesn't mean it will never be upgraded, just not at this time. (That I'm aware of)
 
It doesn't mean it will never be upgraded, just not at this time. (That I'm aware of)

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CONFIRMED: NEW Duetto and LHR 75E Mark II Versions coming out SEMA 2016. :P
 
Todd

My mark 1 15 is not washer modded. I don't like changing how the manufacturer intended the tool to operate. I have no seen your opinion on the washer mod and rupes position. Did you or would you mid your tool? From what I've read it stops the stalling on curves. Seems like a good thing as long as it does not damage the tool.

I'd be curious to hear to spin on this. (Pun intended)

Thanks

Jeff
 
Larry is now part of the marketing effort by Rupes more so than any other product I have seen him discuss.

Other than getting an inside look at the Mark II not really, the 2 videos were shot at the same time, just released separately as it was a tad much for one video and we explicitly asked him to limit some info in the first video so not too much was out there in advance of SEMA. Larry is, if nothing else, neutral - he just happens to be a big fan of our tools and given his visibility in the market we thought it would benefit us to use his traffic in our launch. He is still a heavy megs compound user, and has only really adopted a few of our pads into his use - a point I continue to give him a hard time about. ;)

It would also be nice if Rupes was able to offer an upgrade for a reasonable price to convert a Mark 1 to a Mark 2. If it uses the same outer shell.

Will they consider selling the front piece with the newly added bumper as an accessory for the Mach 1 models?

I'm just thinking back when they had those Kirby and Electrolux vacuums. So many upgrades in the 70s.

While the outward appearance is similar it is not the same case - Mark II parts will not fit on legacy tools and legacy parts will not fit Mark II tools (for the mostpart). While they do maintain a very similar profile the internals, gusseting of the plastic parts, and other components are completely different. While it would be easy to assume you could 'upgrade' your current tool the the Mark II with a few parts just by looking at them, the fact is very few things would be compatible between the tools aside from the backing plates.
 
Todd

My mark 1 15 is not washer modded. I don't like changing how the manufacturer intended the tool to operate. I have no seen your opinion on the washer mod and rupes position. Did you or would you mid your tool? From what I've read it stops the stalling on curves. Seems like a good thing as long as it does not damage the tool.

I'd be curious to hear to spin on this. (Pun intended)

Thanks

Jeff


When the BigFoot System was developed, it took nearly 3 years from the ground up. The idea of making a large stroke is pretty easy, just like making a large orbit pedal for your bicycle. Extend the distance from the shaft/axel to the spindle and you have a large diameter orbit.

Most of the development was focused on making this concept as vibration free as possible and making it easy for users of all levels achieve excellent results with minimal training. We ended up with a completely revolutionary counterweight system within the eccentric set - a design so well thought out that many competitors have copied it exactly. To balance the counterweight system correctly, RUPES - a tool maker - had to become a pad manufacturer as the specs on the weight and height of the pad has to match the eccentric set. The third part of the development cycle was to develop polishing compounds that will not absorb into the foam, keeping the balance precise and treating the user to a nearly vibration free experience.

Why the preamble above? Just to highlight the nearly 3 development cycle of the BigFoot System. The Anti-Spin was engineered into the polishers for a reason. It ultimately is a safety device which prevents the pad from over rotating should the operator run the tool in free air. IF the pad was allowed to free orbit, at some point the rotational speed of the pad can catch the orbital speed, and a pad whipping through the air at 4200 RPM - offset - not only can fly off, but the foam structure can become compromised.

Pad rotation itself is a tricky thing. IF the bearing had zero drag and if the pad was completely balanced, it would never spin. The tool would orbit but rotation would not occur. However the bearing has some drag and the pad is never completely balanced so the moment of the orbit becomes inertia to the outer edge of the pad causing it to spin in the same direction as the orbit. When the pad is applied to the paint the force inside the pad is multiplied which can cause the pad to want to rotate quicker. The faster the tool is running, the more this force is multiplied and faster the pad wants to rotate.

Why is this important? Because RUPES developed the BigFoot System (RPM/Pad Type/Compounds/Bearing Drag/AntiSpin Friction) to operate between speeds 4-6. At this speed, the force generated by the pad contacting the paint easily overrides what little friction the Anti Spin produces. This is easy to experience. Run your tool on speed 4-6 in free air, then touch it to the paint. You will see the pad speed up dramatically as it contacts the paint.

Finally here comes your answer ;)

So with our system (pads/compounds/recommended speeds) there is little benefit in disabling the Anti-Spin. I would go so far as to say there is zero. However, many very experienced detailers have noted that they feel the performance is improved by disabling it and removing the slight friction the Anti-Spin produces. If you step outside our system (smaller backing plate, different pads, etc) you may realize a benefit from disabling the Anti-Spin. I cannot say for sure because it would be impossible to test every possible combination.

If you do not keep the back of the backing plate lubricated with dielectric grease, the Anti Spin shroud will eventually wear away anyways. RUPES official stance is not to disable the Anti-Spin but we also acknowledge that it will not effect the longevity of the tool and doing so does not void the warranty (at the current time / subject to change).
 
Thanks for the through explanation. I will leave the tool alone and should the stalling anoy me, I will pony up for the Mark II.

I am really wanting the iBird, I am hoping that when it is released the price will be something I can justify for use on my own cars.

When the BigFoot System was developed, it took nearly 3 years from the ground up. The idea of making a large stroke is pretty easy, just like making a large orbit pedal for your bicycle. Extend the distance from the shaft/axel to the spindle and you have a large diameter orbit.

Most of the development was focused on making this concept as vibration free as possible and making it easy for users of all levels achieve excellent results with minimal training. We ended up with a completely revolutionary counterweight system within the eccentric set - a design so well thought out that many competitors have copied it exactly. To balance the counterweight system correctly, RUPES - a tool maker - had to become a pad manufacturer as the specs on the weight and height of the pad has to match the eccentric set. The third part of the development cycle was to develop polishing compounds that will not absorb into the foam, keeping the balance precise and treating the user to a nearly vibration free experience.

Why the preamble above? Just to highlight the nearly 3 development cycle of the BigFoot System. The Anti-Spin was engineered into the polishers for a reason. It ultimately is a safety device which prevents the pad from over rotating should the operator run the tool in free air. IF the pad was allowed to free orbit, at some point the rotational speed of the pad can catch the orbital speed, and a pad whipping through the air at 4200 RPM - offset - not only can fly off, but the foam structure can become compromised.

Pad rotation itself is a tricky thing. IF the bearing had zero drag and if the pad was completely balanced, it would never spin. The tool would orbit but rotation would not occur. However the bearing has some drag and the pad is never completely balanced so the moment of the orbit becomes inertia to the outer edge of the pad causing it to spin in the same direction as the orbit. When the pad is applied to the paint the force inside the pad is multiplied which can cause the pad to want to rotate quicker. The faster the tool is running, the more this force is multiplied and faster the pad wants to rotate.

Why is this important? Because RUPES developed the BigFoot System (RPM/Pad Type/Compounds/Bearing Drag/AntiSpin Friction) to operate between speeds 4-6. At this speed, the force generated by the pad contacting the paint easily overrides what little friction the Anti Spin produces. This is easy to experience. Run your tool on speed 4-6 in free air, then touch it to the paint. You will see the pad speed up dramatically as it contacts the paint.

Finally here comes your answer ;)

So with our system (pads/compounds/recommended speeds) there is little benefit in disabling the Anti-Spin. I would go so far as to say there is zero. However, many very experienced detailers have noted that they feel the performance is improved by disabling it and removing the slight friction the Anti-Spin produces. If you step outside our system (smaller backing plate, different pads, etc) you may realize a benefit from disabling the Anti-Spin. I cannot say for sure because it would be impossible to test every possible combination.

If you do not keep the back of the backing plate lubricated with dielectric grease, the Anti Spin shroud will eventually wear away anyways. RUPES official stance is not to disable the Anti-Spin but we also acknowledge that it will not effect the longevity of the tool and doing so does not void the warranty (at the current time / subject to change).
 
Very nice reading.
I didn't buy a rupes initially as I'm not one to simply do whatever a manufacturer says and Limit myself to foam only to correct with, I prefer fibre pads followed by the worlds best foams from Australia and Europe
However with the mark II, I will grab a couple machines and use them for my mid range work with the pads I choose from my pad partner in Europe
I am still very much a forced and rotary fan as its the best when it comes to finish quality but only so many have truly mastered a rotary, 24 years industry experience for me and still learning

As for washer mod - I did it to my metabo duo orbit technology random orbital set on 6.25mm throw as it wasn't spinning the pad at below speed 3
so a quick washer addition and it spins like a maniac at any speed with hardly any bog down even with full weight pressure, 11000 opm sure kicks butt on some things
works far better thanks to a 80 cent part
I like low speed da correcting when I can, it is part of our future, following on the footsteps of the change to speeds used on a rotary
 
I sold my Mk I 15 and will be pre-ordering the Mk 2. When it comes, I'll tell you if I feel if there is a significant difference.
 
Has the cord been upgraded on the new Mark II?

RUPES updated the power cords on the 15ES and 21ES about 1 year ago. The newer cords are thicker and feature an improved strain relief. The 15 Mark II and 21 Mark II tools will have this upgraded cord as well.
 
December 15th is the expected date the distributors that pre-ordered their supply will have inventory to ship.

That's great news for many Dylan.
I'm hoping you were able to get in on the Secret Santa and Ray just didn't wanna tell us.
There's one lucky person out there if you did...
Rupes 21 maybe. ...
Lol
 
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