Coatings vs. Standard LSP'S discussion

[52split]

To be clear, I am no Optimum fanboy. I use CarPro, Optimum, Garry Dean, and Rag Co products the most. My affiliation is towards no company. My favorite wax, although most consider it oily, is Souveran. The look it gave my concours level restored 1952 Split was outstanding. But is was a garage queen. Never was rained on post restoration and only outside for car shows and the occasional drive. But this car never got the "normal driving" beat down. It now sits in Jerry Seinfeld's residence.

I would not trust a wax/sealant to last an entire hard winter on a regularly driven car. The coating has proven itself through one of the worse winters in North Texas history and the crazy hot summer we are finally getting out of.

 

[pwaug]

I would not trust a wax/sealant to last an entire hard winter on a regularly driven car.

I personaly have had DG 105 last through hard New Hampshire winters (Oct to May) on company cars driven 30-40,000 miles per year with only an occasional touch up with Aquawax. To top it off they were washed every week by a commercial touchless wash tunnel. Many others report great durability through winter with Collinite products and FK 1000p.

 

[52split]

Would you trust that same application for another year? I'm coming up to almost 1 1/2 years of Gloss Coat...and it's looking great and there would be zero benefit to re-coat or use something else. Looks wise and beading wise. Now for those that just like to wax/seal quarterly or biannually...more power to you. Life is short. I like knowing the coating is keeping my ride every bit as protected and "shiny" as the day I applied it.

When I get the itch to work on my car I can always find something to do. Remove the wheels and clean up the wheel wells, clean the engine compartment, etc. As others have said. Not fair to say either one is better than the other because it's all subjective. But for me and my house...Gloss Coat or Kamikaze ISM.

 

[JSFM35X]

I'm a fan boy of the products that work for me. I share my results so perhaps you can try or avoid certain products.

I would not push or bash any product for any other reason that my own experience with it.

So far with coating I have varying degrees of Like to love. The product needs to fit the intended use (or abuse)

The Optimum coating I have tried are the most durable- they were placed o my wife and other sons cars. They don't give a hoot and think nothing of leaning on the car in jeans (can you delive it?).

My DD had EVO for almost 2 years and I loved it, when the time came I recoated with Viking coat. It looks great, lasts So, SO. More work to maintain

My son's Jeep-EXO, after 4 months still going strong and it should be.

My Wifes SUV-when the OC 2.0 wore off I was asked to try the 22PLE. Got a sample and applied it. 4 months in and it still looks amazing and it should.

Currently that is the testing I am ruining, For myself and anyone else that wants to follow (or not) no big deal to me.

Looking for a coating to replace the Viking coat on my DD and something for my winter beater 2001 QX4.

 

[Thomas Dekany]

What you said, and the reality differ………….. No Pro coating guy would admit in PUBLIC that he would use something other than the product he utilizes to pay his bills.

How about Thomas just for once let someone actually prefer to use something other than a product you use, without 22 pages of attacks and blatant product fanboy stuff. As for access to OCP + you assume too much as to who actually has it or not.

Mods…………..this post was succinct and pithy, no attacks were implied or written in this post. If Thomas keeps it going(100% certainty probably) have him ride some pine in the timeout dugout for a specified time as this thread has just become absurd.

Robert, you do not need to click on this thread, why not just ignore it?

As far as who can get OC, each unit that is sold to you has an assigned code. So if anyone of the authorized installers order a kit and it isn't registered with optimum, well, you know what will happen - unless of course the company provides it for you.

That is reality - as far as selling something that you do not believe in, but you have no problem selling it to your customers who come to you because they trust you? I could never do that, but if that is ok in your book, what does that say about the person?

 

[Thomas Dekany]

I'm a fan boy of the products that work for me. I share my results so perhaps you can try or avoid certain products.

I would not push or bash any product for any other reason that my own experience with it.

So far with coating I have varying degrees of Like to love. The product needs to fit the intended use (or abuse)

The Optimum coating I have tried are the most durable- they were placed o my wife and other sons cars. They don't give a hoot and think nothing of leaning on the car in jeans (can you delive it?).

My DD had EVO for almost 2 years and I loved it, when the time came I recoated with Viking coat. It looks great, lasts So, SO. More work to maintain

My son's Jeep-EXO, after 4 months still going strong and it should be.

My Wifes SUV-when the OC 2.0 wore off I was asked to try the 22PLE. Got a sample and applied it. 4 months in and it still looks amazing and it should.

Currently that is the testing I am ruining, For myself and anyone else that wants to follow (or not) no big deal to me.

Looking for a coating to replace the Viking coat on my DD and something for my winter beater 2001 QX4.

I'm getting something new in the mail soon - I'll let you know

 

[autoconcierge]

Robert, you do not need to click on this thread, why not just ignore it?

As far as who can get OC, each unit that is sold to you has an assigned code. So if anyone of the authorized installers order a kit and it isn't registered with optimum, well, you know what will happen - unless of course the company provides it for you.

That is reality - as far as selling something that you do not believe in, but you have no problem selling it to your customers who come to you because they trust you? I could never do that, but if that is ok in your book, what does that say about the person?

Again assumption, I did not say I have it and I don't.

 

[JSFM35X]

When my sons Subaru was time to re-coated (Had 2.0), I begged Dr G to sell me the Opticoat Pro and I would just use it on my own car, Same with the leather guard and fabric. He told me he would not jeopardize the distributors and it was harder to apply than a DIY could handle. He said that he was sorry, I ended up buying Gloss Coat form Autopia. I hope the product you are getting is available to consumers.

Can you shoot a quick cell phone video of the OCP on your Subaru next time you wash it or it rains. I am curious to see the water behavior and beading compared to my Gloss coat.

You can either post here or email to me. PM me for my email if you prefer that route.

Thanks

I'm getting something new in the mail soon - I'll let you know

 

[Thomas Dekany]

Again assumption, I did not say I have it and I don't.

I never said you had it. Please read what I write. Thanks

 

[Ronkh]

To be clear, I am no Optimum fanboy. I use CarPro, Optimum, Garry Dean, and Rag Co products the most. My affiliation is towards no company. My favorite wax, although most consider it oily, is Souveran. The look it gave my concours level restored 1952 Split was outstanding. But is was a garage queen. Never was rained on post restoration and only outside for car shows and the occasional drive. But this car never got the "normal driving" beat down. It now sits in Jerry Seinfeld's residence.

I would not trust a wax/sealant to last an entire hard winter on a regularly driven car. The coating has proven itself through one of the worse winters in North Texas history and the crazy hot summer we are finally getting out of.

I've had plenty of sealants/wax/hybrids last all winter in CT.


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[Ronkh]

 

[boxingfan30]

I know I've been defensive here guys, but the ignore button is there for anyone you'd rather not associate with, this is directed at everyone too. Not singling anyone out here on purpose anyway.

 

[JSFM35X]

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LOL

Just could not resist, Long day going home.

I know I've been defensive here guys, but the ignore button is there for anyone you'd rather not associate with, this is directed at everyone too. Not singling anyone out here on purpose anyway.

 

[Ronkh]

I know I've been defensive here guys, but the ignore button is there for anyone you'd rather not associate with, this is directed at everyone too. Not singling anyone out here on purpose anyway.

It doesn't matter. IT'S YOUR CAR !!!! You asked for advice, so don't be sorry.

You know your comfort level, and experience.

 

[JSFM35X]

I agree, seriously I just playing here today.

I like what I like and you would read it and say, OK I have his opinion, and form your own. I post pictures to help others decide. I don't get a dime off anything anyone buys here (sadly). You know what, Vega I think I should get paid.

It doesn't matter. IT'S YOUR CAR !!!! You asked for advice, so don't be sorry.

You know your comfort level, and experience.

 

[Detailology Oz]

LOL!!!!

Not one person would have access to OCP, in this thread, who do you mean? This thread is about Coatings vs Standard LSPs. More power to all the guys who are willing to redo their cars often, who don't mind bird poop etching into the clear. So which is better? I've yet to see a pro who instals any of the pro coatings and prefers to use a wax instead on their own rides.

Im in total agreeance with what you've had to say on this thread thomas
i still however use a sealant and a wax on customer cars but not to protect solely. Many other uses
however coatings are definately better protection wise.

 

[Swanicyouth]

Another point is, if you stick with sealants / waxes for your personal car - you may just be avoiding a lot of POSSIBLE headaches and frustration.

And if I coating doesn't work out for someone, don't try to tell me they suck at detailing, because there are a lot of other factors that could be involved:

- inflated manufacturers claims (sealants being sold as coatings)

- poor environment to install coating (no garage)

- environmental conditions that aren't great (bad rain that contributes to water spots)

- conflicting prep procedures from the manufacturer (think OC 2.0)

- etc...

Quite frankly, that's my main reason for staying with these products. I have enough headaches and frustrations at work. I don't want to have to deal with a coating that failed prematurely, water spotted, or has high spots when I'm on my free time.

I just want to do the detailing process once and get predictable results. If I have to repeat something or polish something off to fix it I'm going to be pissed.

I just want to work with easy stuff.

No. I don't detail for a living. So, maybe there are two camps here - pros and amateurs. As I mentioned, if I was a pro I'd be selling coatings up and down because they cost more $$$.

however coatings are definately better protection wise.

I'm sorry, but I've seen no conclusive proof of this. If anything, there have been a ton of coatings installed by enthusiasts that have fallen short on the manufacturers claims. Hitting a lighter on a hood IMHO is a snake oil tactic at best - deceptive marketing at worse.

Not directed at you, but please don't tell me about some guy in the UK or Guam someplace that switched to coatings and they solved his marring issue. That is called anecdotal data and it's meaningless in my book.

 

[pwaug]

Would you trust that same application for another year? I'm coming up to almost 1 1/2 years of Gloss Coat...and it's looking great and there would be zero benefit to re-coat or use something else. Looks wise and beading wise. Now for those that just like to wax/seal quarterly or biannually...more power to you. Life is short. I like knowing the coating is keeping my ride every bit as protected and "shiny" as the day I applied it.

When I get the itch to work on my car I can always find something to do. Remove the wheels and clean up the wheel wells, clean the engine compartment, etc. As others have said. Not fair to say either one is better than the other because it's all subjective. But for me and my house...Gloss Coat or Kamikaze ISM.

Totally agree with you. I just couldn't understand why you would not "trust a wax/sealant to last through an entire hard winter" when there is plenty of evidence that a number of sealants will do just that with minumal refreashing. But, after 8 months I'm ready to do my spring detail and refreash the sealant so no I wouldn't trust it another year. I have the time and enjoy the process so I just don't think coatings are for me. However, yesteryear when I was working and had kids to shuttle around I would have loved one of the coatings offered today.

 

[Oldfordisbetter]

Do any coatings offer UV protection?

 

[52split]

But for 2-3 years? Highly doubtful. I can Gloss Coat easily reaching that.