Coatings vs. Standard LSP'S discussion

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As far as prices go. I paid a pro 800 bucks to apply OC 2.0 on my vehicle. I supplied All the chemicals and polishes and had the car washed and iron x d before he arrived. The deal I made was he would tech me the basics of coating application. He taught me how to use the nano skin pad. How to break it in. He even showed me some tips with the polisher and tapeing.

It was a great day. I learned enough to coat my own cars after that.

He was with me working for 6 or 7 hours and then we went out for late lunch early dinner in me.

It was a great day and the price was cheap. In my area a 2 step with a coating is no less than 1200 if you go to a legit pro guy with a good rep , insurance and proper tools.

I have people that see my car and ask me to do theirs, not to brag at all, but it's the way it usually goes for me getting jobs, and I don't charge a lot because the products themselves aren't that expensive, I'm also not going to rip anyone off. If you got a day of learning out of it, then its not so bad, but I certainly can't see myself charging that much money. How many people will say "800.00!! Yeah right"? A lot...if I'm under that by a few hundred, at least I'm more likely to get the job.
 
Wow $800 - $1000. I can buy a lot of Duragloss (sealant) for that kinda money even if I have to apply it two (or three) times a year.

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Edit: "A fool and his money are soon parted."


Autopia sure has changed over the years. I would expect a post like yours on a forum dedicated to watches. Not here though. Although in your defense, you are new here, but still, these forums used to be all about what is possible in the detailing world. Not so much about how cheap can we get it done. :)

Remember that you get a lot for that price. As I said before, it is a steal.

As far as your edit, thank you for disrespecting those clients.

PS: i'd suggest that you save your $$$ - and don't waste it on an LSP. Many people laugh at us for pampering our cars/trucks and the amount we spend on detailing supplies. I guess it is all relevant.
 
1 Why does it matter what I do for a living? What does that have to do with detailing.

2 I also could care less if I was considered a pro detailer, 3 maybe if I put a cute little authorized detailer sig under my name that would make me a pro. 4 Never did I claim to be a pro, nor could I care what you consider me. I consider you a lot of things, but your childish arrogance tops the list for me...and apparently for a lot of others here as well.

1 - because I wanted to see how you would feel if I as a weekend warrior did what you do for a living and I claimed to be as good as you, just because I did 1% of what you have done.

2 - it seems that you do consider yourself as good as pros. Now that is what "I" would consider childish arrogance.

3 - Thank you for being sarcastic. it shows your maturity. Unfortunately, doing 20 cars will not get you that Signature. You need to prove yourself year after year. You are always welcome to visit, I am happy to show you what I do. Believe me, I have done a few more than 20 corrections in the last 13 years.

4 - Glad you didn't. You are not a pro. Even if you do pro quality work, what ever you do as your day job is what you would be called a pro at. I also don't worry much about what you think of me. It is always best to leave the ego at the front door. If most installers have no issues with OC, my conclusion is always the installer. (I realize that THAT must have hurt your feelings, but I was simply pointing out the obvious. Instead of entertaining the idea, you got defensive and claimed that it can not be you) Was the batch faulty? Possible, but that still doesn't mean that OC isn't durable. Plus you are inexperienced compared to the pro detailers who post here. So that is also against you.

Look, I have taken well over 50000 pictures in the last 3 years. People tell me all the time that my pictures are amazing. But when a pro looks at them, they can see that I don't have an artistic bone in my body. It is fine with me. Now would I call myself a pro? How narcissistic would that be of me? Even if I sell some pictures. I am not a pro, I am an enthusiast who loves to take pictures who is a pro detailer.

Once again, producing pro quality work doesn't make one a pro.

Hope this clears things for you.
 
Autopia sure has changed over the years. I would expect a post like yours on a forum dedicated to watches. Not here though. Although in your defense, you are new here, but still, these forums used to be all about what is possible in the detailing world. Not so much about how cheap can we get it done. :)

Remember that you get a lot for that price. As I said before, it is a steal.

As far as your edit, thank you for disrespecting those clients.

PS: i'd suggest that you save your $$$ - and don't waste it on an LSP. Many people laugh at us for pampering our cars/trucks and the amount we spend on detailing supplies. I guess it is all relevant.

Young fella, you're a piece of work. I'm a retired enthusiast. I represent a branch of the Autopian culture that seeks value results rather than huge collections of chemical crap. I'm not swayed by high priced boutique products that perform no better than household cleaners. I won't pay hundreds of dollars for a detail I can do as well or better myself. And I surely won't spend $1000 on something I can easily achieve with value products, time and elbow grease.
Come down off your 'professional pedestal'. Some of the best athletes in the world are not professionals - they compete in the Olympics.
 
Young fella, you're a piece of work. I'm a retired enthusiast. I represent a branch of the Autopian culture that seeks value results rather than huge collections of chemical crap. I'm not swayed by high priced boutique products that perform no better than household cleaners. I won't pay hundreds of dollars for a detail I can do as well or better myself. And I surely won't spend $1000 on something I can easily achieve with value products, time and elbow grease.
Come down off your 'professional pedestal'. Some of the best athletes in the world are not professionals - they compete in the Olympics.



Look, I have taken well over 50000 pictures in the last 3 years. People tell me all the time that my pictures are amazing. But when a pro looks at them, they can see that I don't have an artistic bone in my body. It is fine with me. Now would I call myself a pro? How narcissistic would that be of me? Even if I sell some pictures. I am not a pro, I am an enthusiast who loves to take pictures who is a pro detailer.


This used to be true but not so much since they changed the rules about professional athletes competing. I think, though, that you just emphasized his point; a professional is someone who makes a living through that work. I'm sure you are quite happy with the results you can achieve and you might think that you are achieving the same results that a professional does but odds are, just like with Thomas' photography, a professional might look at the results and think otherwise or they could achieve the same or better results in a fraction of the time.

Ferrari doesn't care that most people can't or won't ever buy from them, but KIA would never dream of claiming to produce cars of comparable performance. That doesn't mean that people who buy Ferraris are wasting their money; just that you would never choose to spend your money on one.
 
And that's not counting the really bad posts the mods have already deleted.

Its the thread I started and everything was going fine until the "professional" decided to come in and ruin it with constant plugs for his favorite company. I put him on ignore, and that will be that.
 
I agree. This thread reminded me of the old days with Zaino fanboys. I was just short of being one, while I used their products regularly I still supported others opinions. There isn't just "the best" out there, many good products out there that are appropriate for certain people and their conditions (geographical area, finances, use of vehicle, etc.).

While I haven't tried every sealant/coating/wax, I personally recommend Optimum Gloss Coat. I have used 22ple and Gloss Coat is just as easy. With great gloss,etc. But if others like something else, so be it. Like it's been stated SO MANY TIMES...it's the prep that really matters. LSP's just protect (slight optical improvement) your prep work. ��
 
In reference to this.....

"b) Both 22PLE and Blackfire have to be watched like a hawk when they are flashing. If you miss a spot, be prepared to repolish and reapply. In my applications, I went very slowly and found I needed at least 2 hours to apply and buff off. Was pretty painful. "

When is the best time to apply a BF coating?
I now have FK1000..to try.
Do you guys feel applying a coating can be a task I don't want to take on?
I plan on trying the BF kit when it gets cooler in NJ.
Or should I trade it?
I don't want to have to polish out the car if there's a possibility of something going wrong.
 
I don't want to have to polish out the car if there's a possibility of something going wrong.

Ahhhh, don't sweat it. If ya screw it up and don't want to polish you can have a well protected ugly car....... :rofl


Seriously the BF coating is very very user friendly
 
In reference to this.....

"b) Both 22PLE and Blackfire have to be watched like a hawk when they are flashing. If you miss a spot, be prepared to repolish and reapply. In my applications, I went very slowly and found I needed at least 2 hours to apply and buff off. Was pretty painful. "

When is the best time to apply a BF coating?
I now have FK1000..to try.
Do you guys feel applying a coating can be a task I don't want to take on?
I plan on trying the BF kit when it gets cooler in NJ.
Or should I trade it?
I don't want to have to polish out the car if there's a possibility of something going wrong.

First to answer your questions: coating is a task for sure; it is definitely doable but what do you want to accomplish. It is not worth it if shine is all you are after. If durability, BF was pretty easy as well as 22ple but you need to go slow and watch carefully. If something goes wrong you will need to repolish. See this excellent thread for a disaster.

Blackfire Crystal Coating - Auto Geek Online Auto Detailing Forum

I am rethinking my conclusions as to coatings (but still not 100 percent sure) since although still protecting, BF lost its shine after one week (sigh).

What i really appreciate about this thread is the overall (if I would be so bold to suggest) summary and conclusions (boxingfan30 to add of course) :

a) Two camps - one is the durability camp and the other (obviously) the gloss, reflectivity, shine camp.
b) For durability - most (if not all) coatings, assuming adequate maintenance, should last a year at least
c) For gloss, shine, etc - most (if not all) coatings, don't provide (and possibility not as much) more gloss/shine than a really good LSP, be it Zaino, BF, Pinnacle, etc. There are so many great sealants it just depends on the user. My preference has been Zaino as at least 22PLE and BF Crystal Coat did not look as good. I am addicted to the reflective ripples on my lexus black paint and while coatings look like a mirror, after multiple coats of Zaino the paint looks like a small pond with a rock thrown in the middle. I am hoping that eventually I can get a sealant or coating that does this in one application but not sure that is possible.


So at least my first conclusion is you first decide on what you want - durability or shine - then decide on the product.
My second conclusion is: coatings are hard. Flashing issues, high spots, applicators, topping issues, etc I am still confused on what to do. Let's take 22ple first. I think I did a really good job applying it but it wasn't slick; in fact it was sticky. So I bought 22ple vs1 and applied it a week after - well there went a small section on my hood. The second i applied it, the whole area completely smeared and ruined a large portion of the hood. I was pretty upset but nothing I can do, so now I have a smearing looking hood until March of next year. BF Crystal Coat - no idea. I studied the thread carefully on AGO, and you get different answers - the best was to apply BF instant detailer and it did nothing. I think Pinnacle BL maybe the way to go - it has toppers, wash etc and at least this way you buy a line and work with products as intended.
My final conclusion, as a lot of us know, is that doing detailing is quite enjoyable since you get instant results and it actually is a good workout so doing something beyond a rinseless every week or every other week is a reason to go to a sealant. Zaino figured this out long ago (ie the difference between 5 layers and 50 layers is probably nill but we know guys who do 50). Duragloss is similar so I may try that line next year. I am really looking for a coating that has the look of Zaino that can be topped to bring the 98 percent to 99.9 shine. Any product suggestions welcome and I thank boxingfan30 for keeping this thread on track and helping me figure out what to do for next year.
 
I've come to the conclusion that coatings are not meant for people that want that killer look, or for those who enjoy maintaining their rides or experimenting with different products.



Coatings are best suited for the "seal it and forget it" crowd. Its just that simple.
 
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