Zaino lasted only 2 weeks, which one caused it?

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ericthebikeman

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I've normally had good experiences with Zaino durability. This time I didn't have any ZFX for the first coat, I thought no big deal I'll just do it anyway. Second is that I used AIO to remove all the gunk from the paint. The AIO then Zaino left a very shiny surface so I was satisfied with the results, at least for a couple weeks when the beading stopped.



So one of two things caused the failure of the product this time around. Either the lack of ZFX or the AIO caused the Z2 to not bond.
 
ericthebikeman said:
I've normally had good experiences with Zaino durability. This time I didn't have any ZFX for the first coat, I thought no big deal I'll just do it anyway. Second is that I used AIO to remove all the gunk from the paint. The AIO then Zaino left a very shiny surface so I was satisfied with the results, at least for a couple weeks when the beading stopped.



So one of two things caused the failure of the product this time around. Either the lack of ZFX or the AIO caused the Z2 to not bond.
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But it sounds like the AIO didn't last either. It is supposed to outlast two weeks. Somebody said the new AIO isn't lasting as long, is it new AIO?
 
:nixweiss



I used AIO as a base with Z2 Pro but I did have some ZFX. Nearly 5 months later, it is still beading nicely and looks pretty decent to boot.
 
Something caused the AIO and Zaino not to bond. Well the AIO only actually bonds to the paint, not the zaino. Did you try washing your car after the polish? Maybe there was some polish or at least the dust. Have you had this problem before after using the polish?

I've never had a problem with AIO. I put AIO on then put P21S over it. It was beading today and it's been almost 2 months since applying it. I've done it to customers cars and motorcycles and never once a complaint.
 
personally just reading the description of AIO, i would never use it as a base for zaino. that said, many people DO use aio as a base for zaino with no problems. however, i am still under the impression they are using z1 or zfx. that would be your problem i assume.
 
hadboosttroy said:
personally just reading the description of AIO, i would never use it as a base for zaino. that said, many people DO use aio as a base for zaino with no problems. however, i am still under the impression they are using z1 or zfx. that would be your problem i assume.
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That wouldn't account for why the AIO wasn't beading. AIO should have cleaned everything prior, and Zaino has Zero cleaning abilty, so why would the AIO be gone after two weeks?
 
hadboosttroy said:
i could care less why the aio isn't beading, as the zaino is what was put on last.
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LMA.:think: :think: :rofl :rofl



I use both products very often, but if the bottom product isn't beading when it's supposed too, it's a problem with that product. Especially when that product is supposed to clean the surface and leave a layer of protection, there is no reason why the AIO didn't bond to the paint. It's not a Z vs K thing, wheather the Z bonded is irrelevant, there is obviously no or little AIO left.
 
i'm not sure what you are laughing at? :nixweiss



why would the aio be causing the beading, when in effect, the zaino is totally covering it. i am lost at what you are getting at here.
 
Very simple reason for failure. The exclusion of using Z1 or ZFX. Instructions for the Zaino states that one must use one or other or your results (durability is directly related to bonding to painted surface) will not match the proper usage of Z polishes. In combination with the lack of initial required bonding agents (Z1 or ZFX), the picture is complicated by using AIO as a base. Though I have had success with using AIO prior to Z polishes, I always wipe down with IPA and then Z6.



Do yourself a favor and get either Z1 or ZFX. The most cost effective bonding agent is ZFX. PM me if you would like a sample of Z1.
 
blkZ28Conv said:


Do yourself a favor and get either Z1 or ZFX. The most cost effective bonding agent is ZFX. PM me if you would like a sample of Z1.
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Agreed. Used as a system, Z2/Pro with either Z1 or ZFX will yield far better results.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Very simple reason for failure. The exclusion of using Z1 or ZFX. Instructions for the Zaino states that one must use one or other or your results (durability is directly related to bonding to painted surface) will not match the proper usage of Z polishes. In combination with the lack of initial required bonding agents (Z1 or ZFX), the picture is complicated by using AIO as a base. Though I have had success with using AIO prior to Z polishes, I always wipe down with IPA and then Z6.



Do yourself a favor and get either Z1 or ZFX. The most cost effective bonding agent is ZFX. PM me if you would like a sample of Z1.
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Finally after reading this thread, someone answers in a way that makes sense. I've successfully used AIO as a base with Zaino, and I don't do an isopropyl alcohol wipe down, but I do use Z-6 immediately afterward, and I always use ZFX with Z2 (or lately with Z2Pro). No ZFX seems to be the cause of your Zaino giving up.
 
I really think that there was something else in play here, that caused failure after only two weeks, other than the lack of ZFX or Z1 or using AIO as a base.



Back on Feb 18th I applied Z2 Pro/ZFX and Z2 Pro alone on the hood of my Honda Pilot. Yesterday after VERY heavy rain, BOTH panels were still beading, not pretty little beads I normally associate with Zaino, but then I have purposely avoided using any QD or QP on these panels. BTW, I taped the hood off and prep'ed one half with Menzerna FPII, the other half with AIO. Neither product received a 50/50 wipe down before I applied the Zaino.



As a reference, the other panels with UPP and AIO are absolutely DEAD. No sheeting, no beading, nothing but a film of water covering the paint. The weather has been very wet here during the past two months and I have washed the car once a week by hand and by touchless wash four times.



I'm not sure what caused the failure here after just two weeks, but I really doubt that using a base AIO or Zaino with no ZFX was the root cause. Maybe something in the application method or rain before 24 hrs? I don't know! :nixweiss
 
I don't think any wax or sealant will last less than 2 weeks except MAYBE in extremely adverse conditions..(i.e. very high temps, heavy rains every day)



The Zaino and AIO are probably still there. You probably have a film of dirt/pollen on the surface that is causing rain to sheet : once it is washed off the beading will likely return.
 
So it sounds like it was a lack of Z1 or ZFX. Here's what I did...



1. Wash, rinse, dry

2. Claybar (Z18 + Z7/distilled)

3. Wash, rinse, dry

4. PC With AIO then wipe off, working 1/2 panel at a time.

5. Z2 Pro, it was around 65 outside so I waited about 30 minutes to make sure it dried then wiped off. (NO XFX or Z1)

6. Z6

7. A week later I rewashed, more Z2 then Z6.



A few weeks later with just washes I had almost zero beading. The side panels were better off but anything on the horizontal plane was shot. There was a lot of pollen too but I doubt that somehow ate the sealant off, I based my beading off what occurred after washing the car since dirt can negatively affect it. A couple weeks ago we had a good amount of rain, but nothing that Z didn't easily last through in prior years.



The AIO was about 1 year old so it would be the old formulation. In retrospect should have bought the BIG bottle, since other threads make the new stuff sound relatively bad. Hindsight is 20/20 right. :D
 
A lack of water beads does not mean the product is still not there. I am not a big user of Zaino but regardless of that, water beads do not always indicate a layer of protection, besides one wants sheeting more than they do water beads. Sheeting tends to "pull" the water off the carand this is ideal to prevent spotting.



There really is no test ( I have talked with a chemist about some sort of product to make it known just how much wax is left on a surface, he said "not going to happen"), other than perhaps a friction test, to determine just how much protection one has on their car. After washing see if a microfiber towel has any drag as you glide it across the paint. This is not exact science but it gives you a clue as to what may or may not be left.



Anthony
 
Failure analysis without following the proper protocol is fruitless.



I hate to be terse but unless you use the system correctly all guesses why it only lasted 2 weeks is just that... guesses. The guesses all leads one to the conclusion that Zaino requires Z1 or ZFX.



Respectfully Mike, you state that you have had durability without using ZFX or Z1. I believe this is a aberration rather than the norm.



ericthebikeman,

Follow your outlined procedure again except this time use either Z1 or ZFX. Also do at least a Z6 wipe down prior to applying either Z2PRO behind Z1 or the Z2-PRO/ZFX mixture.



Report back after using the system as directed. :xyxthumbs
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Report back after using the system as directed. :xyxthumbs [/B]
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Would this be with or without AIO? Zaino works great with following the directions online but adding AIO seems to bring additional shine to the party.
 
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