Z5 & Klasse

Jesstzn

Jesstzn

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I tried a search and either my methods sux or it wasn't asked so be patient with me.



I know that Z5 works to "fill" minor paint imperfections left after the polishing ( Menzerna ) prep work and I guess what I want to know is will the following routine work? Keep in mind my paint is in very good condition so far ( winter )



a) Polish out any issues gained this winter with Menzerna IP/FP as required. I have a PC.



b) AIO



c) Z5 with ZFX x 3



d) SG x how ever many I feel like using the WOO method.





e) Top later with #26 if I want depth. ( this poses another question , if I top with #26 do I have to AIO again before more SG or will a Dawn wash do to get rid of the #26?If I AIO again will it lift the Z5/SG?)
 
If you are committed to using Klasse, I'd drop step 'c'. I am not sure if you are experimenting with Klasse and Zaino or your considering Z5 a swirl filler.



As much as I love Z, I have found little 'swirl' filling capability with Z5.



Former Klasse to Z person here, I'd just use Z5/ZFX on the car, but Klasse is great too.



'e' to top w/26: no to AIO first, the dawn should do it. AIO:'Probably' to lifting the Z5; yes to SG.



Hope this helps some.
 
Man, that's a complex sequence of products.

I know that a few people here do use AIO then Zaino (Showroomlincoln mabey??? I forget the name). I would not do that crazy set up by topping the Zaino with SG and then #26. AIO/Z5x2/26 is probably as crazy as *I* would get



AIO will probably remove or seriously compromise the Z on the finish.

A strong dawn wash will remove the #26 if it is a month or two old.
 
Likecars said:
I am not sure if you are experimenting with Klasse and Zaino or your considering Z5 a swirl filler.
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I currently have Zaino on the car , looking to change to get away from the Z1 or ZFX for followups



Z5 x 3



Z2 x 3







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LouisanaJeeper said:
I have those madd search skillz:

http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29763&highlight=AIO
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Yeep TY I saw that one .. posted in it .. I'm sure Z5 will be ok on AIO .. I'm just liking the idea of the hairline filling Z5 does for the residual swirls etc and wondering if SG would bond tothe Z5. Z5 would be a one shot deal in the spring .. not part of a regular routine.



I'm trying to get away from the headaches with the Zaino where when you get a swirl/scratch etc and have to buff it out your back into the ZFX and an ounce to wax over 1 panel .. you either waste the rest of the ounce or do the rest of the car and at times the time isn't there to do a full wax.



Every car show someone has to run thier hands over the car and your into working them out.



With SG its sounds like you could buff out the issue the AIO and SG the panel.
 
Jesstzn said:
I'm trying to get away from the headaches with the Zaino where when you get a swirl/scratch etc and have to buff it out your back into the ZFX and an ounce to wax over 1 panel .. you either waste the rest of the ounce or do the rest of the car and at times the time isn't there to do a full wax.

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No reason you need to mix up an entire ounce; add one drop to 1/4 oz, and use that to put several coats on the panel you're re-sealing. To make the measuring easy and the dispensing waste-free, you might look into using a 30 mL oral syringe (do a search on "syringe"; you'll find some references). The syringe makes mixing and dispensing small amounts more attractive because there's so little waste.



There's still the annoyance of having to measure and mix, but at least you're not pitching the better part of an ounce at a time.



Back to your original question . . . I've used Z2/Z5 over AIO before with no apparent issues. Dunno if KSG would work over Z5 or not, but experimenting with products is half the fun of detailing, IMO. If you're curious, try it and see what you think. Worst case, it smears, looks craptacular, and you have to strip it. You can always try it on a single panel to see what kind of results you get, and go from there.



Tort
 
Jesstzn said:
I tried a search and either my methods sux or it wasn't asked so be patient with me.



I know that Z5 works to "fill" minor paint imperfections left after the polishing ( Menzerna ) prep work and I guess what I want to know is will the following routine work? Keep in mind my paint is in very good condition so far ( winter )



a) Polish out any issues gained this winter with Menzerna IP/FP as required. I have a PC.



b) AIO



c) Z5 with ZFX x 3



d) SG x how ever many I feel like using the WOO method.





e) Top later with #26 if I want depth. ( this poses another question , if I top with #26 do I have to AIO again before more SG or will a Dawn wash do to get rid of the #26?If I AIO again will it lift the Z5/SG?)
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I believe a few people from this board (not sure if they post anymore) have used z and k over eachother. I don't ever remember reading about any problems.



I don't *imagine* that SG would have trouble bonding to Z. Z and K have pretty much the same requirements for bonding (no oils, clean surface, etc). Based on this, if z can bond to z, and k can bond to k (after curing of course), then I think that k could bond to z and vice versa.



As for using #26; IMHO, dawn will not strip it. AIO is an infinitely better cleaner than dawn. If you top and want to add more z or k you'll have strip with aio or another similar paint cleaner to get back to a clean surface for the z and k to bond to.



JMHO,



Bill. :cool:
 
Bill, you don't think the dawn will affect the carnauba in the high tech? Just curious.:)



AIO strip K (Klasse) yes

Z; can't say with certainty. Supposedly alcohol will remove Z, but I think the AIO will impact it in some way. If I did that I'd use Z1 again or ZFX prior to reapplying Z.
 
I would say application would tell if AIO strips Zaino. If you hit it with a white pad and speed 5 on the PC and polish your paint, it will remove it. If you just spread it on the paint, then remove, it probably would deteriorate the Z, but not completely remove it.
 
Jesstzn said:
Will AIO strip Z and K?
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I think it will. AIO is good stuff. If aio can strip sg than I think it can strip z, and both togeather. But as greg said use the aio with your pc and polishing pad to enhance the cleaning. Wiping aio on and off by hand won't do as an effective of a job.



JMHO,



Bill. :up
 
Likecars said:
Bill, you don't think the dawn will affect the carnauba in the high tech? Just curious.:)



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I wasn't thinking of the high-tech in particular. In general I don't think a dawn wash is an effective way to remove any carnuba. I've felt that paint cleaners are better suited to do the job. Afterall, that what they were made for. And Dawn, is for dishes. :D



JMHO,



Bill :up
 
Since you have both Zaino and Klasse I'd suggest doing a side by side test or something - several people here (including myself) have found that KSG has the ability to "fill in" with multiple coats in a way that Z5 is advertised to. What is not well known though, is how well they do compared to each other.



This isn't something covered or commented on a lot, but some people have reported poor swirl filling with Z5 (at least, with the older formulation), although this assesment is subjective. Klasse SG, in my experience is only capable of filling in the very lightest and finest swirls. At the risk of being too broad, I usually like to compare SG to Z5...
 
Jesstzn said:


I know that Z5 works to "fill" minor paint imperfections left after the polishing

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My 2cents.........



If you are using Z-5 expressly for swirl filling you will probably be disapointed. Z-5, despite what its says on the bottle. has shown very little to no swirl filling capabilities. At one point I had 5 layers on my truck and got no results whatsoever. Its an excellent polish and protectant, but it cant hold a candle to AIO as far as hiding swirls and imperfections.
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Avalanche said:
Jesstzn said:


I know that Z5 works to "fill" minor paint imperfections left after the polishing

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My 2cents.........



If you are using Z-5 expressly for swirl filling you will probably be disapointed. Z-5, despite what its says on the bottle. has shown very little to no swirl filling capabilities. At one point I had 5 layers on my truck and got no results whatsoever. Its an excellent polish and protectant, but it cant hold a candle to AIO as far as hiding swirls and imperfections.
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You will notice I said minor. By minor I an refering to the ones you can see in the sun. Applied properly it filled them for me. Maybe your situation was different.
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Jesstzn said:
You will notice I said minor. By minor I an refering to the ones you can see in the sun. Applied properly it filled them for me. Maybe your situation was different.
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Nah, I doubt it. My Avalanche is almost flawless, except for the small "visible at an agle, in the right kind of light" stuff. I love Zaino and I use it exclusively now but the Z-5 is a bust in my eyes.
 
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