will zaino Z2 bond on top of 1Z metallic polish??

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imported_nadir

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like the thread title states ...





i'm wondering. I applied 1Z MP with a gray pad on the car. This was on top of some old klasse SG.



I want to top it with Z2 and see what the results are like .. but if it doesn't bond, i don't want to bother.



any suggestions??



my is black



thanks
 
Hm.... I really want to know what people think Zaino will "bond" to. And what the theory is behind it.



I never got why people used VM before EX-P since they wouldn't use it before any other sealant...
 
If you apply Z2 to a very oily surface, my guess is that the failure to bond will be apparent quickly.



However, if you try applying Z2 to a less than ideal surface, it may bond or partially bond, and you will see reduced durability and perhaps not get as good results (slickness, looks, etc?). This is my speculation. There reason behind this is because I have applied Z5 directly over AIO and directly over FPII (which may have some lubricating oils).



Just an idea.



In any case, in the future, it's best to do a quick was after metallic polish for maximum durability.



- J
 
I think thatâ€â„¢s why Klasse AIO is the most common â€Ëœprepâ€â„¢ product for Zaino and maybe why Zaino has developed their own chemical cleaner to replace it.



Most of the better polishes (Iz amongst others) contain oils for surface lubrication, which need to be remove to avoid polymer bonding / durability issues.



Quote: Hm.... I really want to know what people think Zaino will "bond" to. And what the theory is behind it.



The theory as I understand it-

A polymer adheres primary by surface tension and during the cross-linking period forms a bond with the paint molecules (molecular bonding), polymer cannot form a molecular bond to bare metal.



The presence of oil may inhibit the cross-linking process of a polymer or linking together of the chains (monomers or building blocks) to form a â€Ëœstructureâ€â„¢ by acting as a barrier and will compromise its strength, durability, drying time, and bonding. Be sure that the surface of the vehicle can be left undisturbed from rain and water) until the polymer has cross-linked or the surface protection may be compromised.

JonM
 
Zaino has developed a true diminishing abrasive water-based cleanser / polish, not a chemical cleanser like AIO. The abrasive property (reducing abrasive components) start at a level between DACP and Meg #80. Its finishing level is on par with Menzerna PO85RD, FP I and II. It is as easy to use as P21S GECP, VM, PB SMR 2, AIO and 1Z MP (both customer (MP) and professional series (Soft Wax)).

It is quite an impressive SMR (polish/cleanser) leaving the "ideal" base for Zaino polishes.



If one uses 1Z MP as a cleanser/ploish just wipe down with IPA to remove oils or at least a Z6 QD or Z7 wash.

1Z MP has a polymer based protectant not a carnuaba.
 
TOGWT said:
The presence of oil may inhibit the cross-linking process of a polymer or linking together of the chains (monomers or building blocks) to form a â€Ëœstructureâ€â„¢ by acting as a barrier and will compromise its strength, durability, drying time, and bonding. Be sure that the surface of the vehicle can be left undisturbed from rain and water) until the polymer has cross-linked or the surface protection may be compromised.

JonM
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I was tracking with you until the statement about water affecting the crosslinking/bonding. I know BF recommends not to let water get to the surface during the 24 hours or so required for BF to bond, but I was thinking that spec. was product specific to BF. Please clarify if you mean this is the case for all Polymer based products. I have not had an instance of sealant failure due to this type of scenario. But then, I dont look for extreme durability. :xyxthumbs
 
Be sure that the surface of the vehicle can be left undisturbed from rain and water) until the polymer has cross-linked or the surface protection may be compromised.



This is for polymers period, oil or water affect there cross-linking process.

JonM
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Zaino has developed a true diminishing abrasive water-based cleanser / polish, not a chemical cleanser like AIO. The abrasive property (reducing abrasive components) start at a level between DACP and Meg #80. Its finishing level is on par with Menzerna PO85RD, FP I and II. It is as easy to use as P21S GECP, VM, PB SMR 2, AIO and 1Z MP (both customer (MP) and professional series (Soft Wax)).

It is quite an impressive SMR (polish/cleanser) leaving the "ideal" base for Zaino polishes.



If one uses 1Z MP as a cleanser/ploish just wipe down with IPA to remove oils or at least a Z6 QD or Z7 wash.

1Z MP has a polymer based protectant not a carnuaba.
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I HAVE TO GET SOME of this stuff. If it is half as good as the rest of Zainos product it must rock.
 
Quote: If one uses 1Z MP as a cleanser/ploish just wipe down with IPA to remove oils or at least a Z6 QD or Z7 wash.

1Z MP has a polymer based protectant not a carnuaba.



I usually do a surface check-



â€Â¢Check surface condition- using a fine mist, spray the surface with a 1:1 solution distilled water and Isopropyl alcohol (IPA) or DuPont Prepsol

â€Â¢Leave it to dwell for 30-45 seconds, agitate the surface before wiping the paint surface with clean, dry 100% cotton (DF Alpine) towel to remove sealant/wax residue. Repeat as necessary

â€Â¢The use of an electronic paint Mil thickness gauge (Checkline Model DEF-900) and a 20X, or greater magnifier to check the clear coat is highly recommended

â€Â¢Place your fingertips on the paint surface, by running your finger tips along the surface there should be resistance (tension) this is indicative of a clean paint surface i.e. without any sealant / wax /oils.

â€Â¢With suitable lighting (see Dark Field Micro Inspection) and a 20X or stronger lighted magnifying loupe, you may well see some surface marring at this magnification but the less there is the better the wax/sealants will optically reflect light.

â€Â¢For surface imperfection that if removed could compromise the clear coat apply a glaze

JonM
 
guys,



so how will i know if zaino bonded well or not.



i want to go for my next coat..



i took a look at the paint today in the sun and it looked fine. no smearing at the touch or anything.





i want to go for my 2nd coat ..
 
first coat pic:



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nadir said:
guys,



so how will i know if zaino bonded well or not.



i want to go for my next coat..



i took a look at the paint today in the sun and it looked fine. no smearing at the touch or anything.





i want to go for my 2nd coat ..
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The only way is to compare durability. How long it keeps its immediate properties without the 1z under it versus how long it keeps its immediate properties with the 1z under it. That's how it has been done for awhile now, and it's the only way you'll be able to know. I'll warn you against "chemistry" on the internet: it has no watchdog. And without that, companies can make generalized claims, insert them in the minds of people and stream them along.



The best experience is first hand. :)



edit: the car looks great. :D
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Zaino has developed a true diminishing abrasive water-based cleanser / polish...finishing level is on par with Menzerna PO85RD, FP...
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Is this your claim or is this Sal's claim? Wondering if you have used PO85RD and how you would compare to two. Thanks.
 
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