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Is it safe to use IHG under a topper wax? Right now I'm just using up some Meguiars stuff before moving on to AIO/KSG/Blitz. I've seen some people say they like IHG under wax but others said this could be bad for the paint?



No polymer sealants under under IHG, just freshly clayed and SMR'ed paint.



Opinions? Experiences?



Thanks,

Justin
 
IHG will work under wax with no problems. The only problem with IHG is that it does not last very long, and you are only filling the problem not removing it.
 
I am aware of IHG's filling properties, I was going to clay then SMR then PPCL to prep the car. I was just under the (mistaken?) impression that IHG would give the car a nicer look.



I wouldn't be using it for makeup since I am going to remove any visible marring with abrasives. So will IHG give me a glossier, slightly "wetter" look or should I just skip it?
 
With polymer sealants, IHG or any glaze prevents proper bonding to the vehicle, but with wax you should be fine. Usually glazes do give your vehicle a better look. Never tried IHG, just Meguiars Glaze, and it did give a nice shine.
 
Yes the IHG will give the car a little bit wetter, deeper look. But the problem with glazes is they don't last very long, so expect to be reapplying it often if you want to maintain the look.
 
All things considered, I would think IHG between the PPCL and wax would be a redundant waste of product after all the previous steps you took to prep the paint, just my opinion.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by ShowroomLincoln [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Yes the IHG will give the car a little bit wetter, deeper look. But the problem with glazes is they don't last very long, so expect to be reapplying it often if you want to maintain the look. [/b]</blockquote>
I think that is the reason that Meguiar's recommends that after using their glaze that you apply wax to preserve the glazed look.
 
Short Cut,



Yes, they wax may help preserve the look at little longer, but probably not much. Most of the "store bought" waxes have a durability that is truly sad. To keep the just glazed and waxed look with store bought products, expect to be doing it every 2 weeks or so.
 
Hey Showroom I'm fairly new to using polish/glazes before waxing so excuse me if this is a stupid question. Let's say that I'm using 3M or Mequiars paste wax, without abrasives, over a glaze and I'm willing to put down multiple layers of wax right after the glaze and then add a coat of wax every week. The car is garaged most of the time. Will I still lose the glazed look even if I keep several layers of wax over the glaze on a routine basis?



Or to rephrase, I assume that wax will protect the glazed look longer, but does it just slow down the degradation of the glaze or does the wax eliminate the degradation of the glaze? Thanks
 
My whole view on the glaze/wax topic is that the wax AND glaze will diminish no matter what. The oils will evaporate. You will need to reapply the glaze every 4-6 months, then wax once every few weeks (3-5) to maintain that shine. It is advised not to apply multiple coats of wax back to back because the wax needs to cure/harden for 5-7 days so the next layer can actually layer. So apply one or two coats (for max coverage) after you glaze, and wax every few weeks to maintain that shine/protection.



Jason
 
Just to clarify, Jason. It sounds like you're speaking of KSG glaze while we're speaking about 3M Imperial Hand Glaze, which certainly does <em class='bbc'>not[/i] last for months. I believe it is removed in a single washing, which is why we would cover it with wax to last as long as the wax lasts (<1 month)
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Short Cut [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Hey Showroom I'm fairly new to using polish/glazes before waxing so excuse me if this is a stupid question. Let's say that I'm using 3M or Mequiars paste wax, without abrasives, over a glaze and I'm willing to put down multiple layers of wax right after the glaze and then add a coat of wax every week. The car is garaged most of the time. Will I still lose the glazed look even if I keep several layers of wax over the glaze on a routine basis?

Or to rephrase, I assume that wax will protect the glazed look longer, but does it just slow down the degradation of the glaze or does the wax eliminate the degradation of the glaze? Thanks [/b]</blockquote>
Short Cut, I know I'm not Showroom but I thought I'd toss a few thoughts in.

Basically what you are asking is if you'd be able to seal in the look of the Glaze by protecting the Glaze (as well as your paint) with a coat of wax. This might work for a garage queen, but if it is a daily driver, I don't think this would be worth the extra effort. You'd probably be applying the Glaze every 3-4 weeks and reapplying the wax every weekend. You probably already know this but the Glazes are best used right before you display your car at a competition or whenver you really need to make it look nice TEMPORARILY. Furthermore, even though the Glaze will be covered with a layer of wax, it's not the same as being sealed in by something stronger like a polymer and the oils in both the wax AND glaze will still slowly evaporate and lose slickness and shine. So to answer your question, yes, a layer of wax will make the glaze last longer, but not much.

If you still want to try it out, I definitely wouldn't use any Meguiar's or 3M paste wax as their durability is very low (again, you probably already knew that). Blitz might be a better choice.

IMHO, since you aren't skimping at all with the paint prepping (using clay, SMR & PPCL), why not try out one of the pinnacle waxes? I've used PPG many times and I can honestly say that it's almost as easy as doing a quick detail (30 mins tops) and looks better than any wax I've ever used (I haven't tried Souveran yet). Who knows....maybe Souveran looks better than your proposed plan for a Glaze + "another wax that costs less than $70 bucks". Just a thought really. If anything, I'd be interested in hearing how your Glaze + weekly waxing experiment goes.
 
Good, insightful posts, guys!

And, notice how, even though we expressed somewhat different views, no one found it necessary to comment on the other fellows personality, character or intelligence i.e., no personal/I] comments.

By leaving out the personal comments so common on other forums, we can focus on a great exchange of ideas, instead of an exchange of insults and challenges.

Well done. We will keep this up and correct any hint of flaming.
 
Short Cut,



Sorry it took me so long to get back, I had a ton of stuff to do last night. Anyway back on topic.



Since you car is garaged, waxing over the glaze may preserve it for a little longer period of time, but probably not much maybe just a few more days. You were correct, the wax does not stop the glaze from degrading, just slows it down. As Jason said the oils in the IHG will evaporate quickly. It does not matter how many layers of wax you put over the IHG, once the metal heats up the IHG will begin to evaporate. Especially since your car is black, if it sits out even for a short while the car can get very hot. And when using wax, heat is your biggest problem. At around 160 degrees caranuba based products begin to degrade, so you top layer of protection is dimishing already. A black car in the sun can easily get to 250+ degrees. If you can get 2 weeks out of the IHG then you would be lucky.
 
Thanks for all of the insightful comments. I have different goals for different vehicles. For my daily driver white work truck that isn't garaged I'm very interested in the durability of the protection and I don't want to spend anymore time than necessary to achieve it. Since it was new I've been using Meguiar's Polymer Sealant, with good results, however I just recently used Meguiar's #6 one step cleaner wax because the surface had lost its smoothness. My current plan is to use both Klasse products on it next.

For my black car my main goal is beauty. It is a weekend driver that spends most of its time in the garage under a flannel cover. I don't mind putting extra labor into detailing the car if it achieves a better looking result. Durability isn't a big factor when choosing the products for my car. If it looked best by glazing it every week I would however, I like the look better with wax over the glaze.

<strong class='bbc'>What is the best recipe to keep my black car looking its absolute best?[/b]

I'm looking forward to getting my PC this week so feel free to offer product choices for use with the PC if applicable. Thanks :)
 
Durability goes hand and hand with protection in most cases. While your garage queen might be in the garage most of the time which will make your wax job will last longer, or you might not mind applying a glaze every week, protection should be on your mind too.



Your car should have protection from UV rays, airborn contaminants, and even against swirl marks when washing and toweling. Traditional glazes and some waxes offer none of that.
 
I'm comfortable with the protection and durablity that I would get from a polymer sealant or multiple coats of wax. The 3M Paste Wax that I'm currently using is billed as "exceptionally durable".

What I want to know is what would you use to make it look its absolute best?

Perhaps I should post this as a new thread.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Short Cut [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>I'm comfortable with the protection and durablity that I would get from a polymer sealant or multiple coats of wax. The 3M Paste Wax that I'm currently using is billed as "exceptionally durable".

What I want to know is what would you use to make it look its absolute best?

Perhaps I should post this as a new thread. [/b]</blockquote>
ShortCut,

I've used the 3M Show Car wax and IMHO, it isn't that durable. But that's just my opinion. You very well might have gotten differing results. It takes me about half the time to apply a coat of PPG and it seems to last at least as long.

For one of my cars, which is garaged all week and then driven on the weekends (sort of like your situation), I have 2 coats of AIO as a base and every weekend I apply a coat of PPG. My plan is to keep applying PPG every weekend and when I feel the need to re-clean my surface or see any contaminants I'll just spot clay as needed and reapply AIO and then go ahead with the PPG. The weekly waxings are possible for me because PPG's so fun & easy to apply. I'm not kidding when I say it takes almost the same amount of effort as a QD.

You want your car to look its absolute best? Well, since you are planning to SMR and PPCL your car, you've already got 90% of it down. There really isn't that much difference in looks after that.
 
I agree with Intermezzo about the 3M Show Car wax. I have tried it before, the initial shine was good, but he durability was not great. I found that it only lasts about 2 weeks on the cars that I tried it on.
 
hello community. i took advantage of the 5.5" flats sale that were 1 1/4 inches thick. what are the benefits/disadvantages of these compared to LC 7/8 inches thick flat pads? thanks very much.
 
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