OK, I've used P21S polish on my old car applied with 100% cotton cloths and removed with the same. Well my car seemed to have a lot of new fine marring. So I gave up polishing. Time went on....... Well, I placed an order from Groits Garage and bought their fine polish and 100% cotton cloths(which seem soft but thin). So, I polished a section of my new metallic hunter green Range Rover Sport and I see some new marring. Am I pushing to hard? Not hard enough? Do I need to spend a bit more time on one section?
Why do I always seem to add more marks with polish??
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White95Max
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Well P21s GEPC is not very abrasive, so you will probably not get any new marring from abrasives not breaking down completely.
So my thoughts are:
You may have been pressing hard with the towels and that had something to do with it.
The towels may not be as soft as you think they are.
The car may not have been competely clean when you used the product.
So my thoughts are:
You may have been pressing hard with the towels and that had something to do with it.
The towels may not be as soft as you think they are.
The car may not have been competely clean when you used the product.
imported_Neothin
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I think you may be inflicting marring from the towels themselves. somewhere i saw a highly magnified view of paint that was buffed with cotton towels vs microfiber towels and the cotton picture has noticably more marring than the MF picture. Before you completely give up, you may want to give a high quality MF towel a shot. Also, hand buffing takes ALOT of time and product choice is critical (seeing as most polishes are made for at least a random orbit buffer). I'd try out scratchX and give it a few extra minutes to see if u can get out those fine scratches your seeing.
imported_Neothin
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excel, pakshak, and autogeek all have very nice towels.
White95Max
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I have 45 of the blue and yellow Excel supremes, and I couldn't be happier with them. When you figure in the awesome customer service that Patrick provides, and the quick, exact-price shipping charges, you can't go wrong.
3Dog
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If you are talking about Griots towels that are sewn with red thread, then you need to look elsewhere for the marring. These towels are one of the rare 100% cotton and no nap to collect debris ( very much like diapers). The only way I could see it with these towels is from possible overuse. These towels are really used for removal not application where foam would be better. They also work much better for wax instead of polish removal.
To echo the others...you need MF in your aersonal.
To echo the others...you need MF in your aersonal.
I'd stay away from ScratchX on dark colours. Its very aggressive, and although it breaks down quickly, the initial *cut* of the abrasives is never removed. As a result, I can always see fine marring left behind that's hidden by the fillers.
I'd try something gentler like Mothers Scratch Remover, or 1Z Metallic Polish Wax.
I'd try something gentler like Mothers Scratch Remover, or 1Z Metallic Polish Wax.
Guys. When you apply the polish how much pressure should I apply and how large an area? Do I apply just enough pressure to spread it evenly and then a bit more to remove it? I did make one minor mistake when I used the griots cloths(white with the red stiches) I used them before washing.
Accumulator
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darkalley- Even if you'd washed them IMO the Griot's polishing cloths would've marred your paint. I know how he talks them up (concours this and that) but when I tested them on my Jag they marred it something awful. Stick with the high grade MFs and you should do much better.
Sometimes you do have to apply pressure; just "letting the product do the work" doesn't always get it done. With soft, plush MFs, a mild product, and some common sense you'll quickly get a feel for what you have to do. This really is one of those things you have to learn by doing, but the learning curve is nice and steep and you'll get the hang of it in no time. With the P21s GEPC you should be OK to experiment. If anything you'll want something *more* aggressive so keep the "common sense" part in mind
and see what more/less pressure results in.
Sometimes you do have to apply pressure; just "letting the product do the work" doesn't always get it done. With soft, plush MFs, a mild product, and some common sense you'll quickly get a feel for what you have to do. This really is one of those things you have to learn by doing, but the learning curve is nice and steep and you'll get the hang of it in no time. With the P21s GEPC you should be OK to experiment. If anything you'll want something *more* aggressive so keep the "common sense" part in mind
and see what more/less pressure results in.darkalley said:
You might not be working the polish long enough, work it until it is nearly clear. I'd go with microfiber towels to apply and remove since GEPC does not have much correction power. Heavier polishes work well with cotton towels. Also, make sure you are folding the towels over 3-4 times to form a thick pad or your fingers become pressure points and you aren't applying even pressure.
Your best bet would be to buy a PC and pads.