Which QD to use with Klasse?

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roller5435

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First time Klasse user - just ordered some and can't wait to try it. But I have a quick question:



Which QD is best to use after the 1-2 punch of AIO and SG? I like the layering abilities of SG, but will I cause problems if I use some QD now and then? Which QD works best on top of SG?



Thanks in advance.



BTW, I DID try to search on "QD AND Klasse" and got this error message: "The search term you specified (qd) is under the minimum word length (3) and therefore will not be found. Please make this term longer. " How do you make QD longer??? :mad:
 
cvcaelen said:
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That's a good one! :rolleyes: BUT, given that 99.9% of Autopians' threads use acronyms (I have yet to see anyone spell out "quick detail"), I don't think such a search will prove fruitful.
 
Hi,

Sonus Hi Gloss Acrylic Spritz supposedly contains the same acrylic

found in Klasse. I have heard good things about it and some say that it can also be used to help remove the haze that you can get while removing SG. At $14.95 it's kind of expensive especially if you QD your car daily. Meguiars FI is popular and priced well especially if you get the gallon jug.

I would think that any non-carnauba QD will work fine. Eagle One WW&S is recommended by CMA for Klasse application and a lot of people like it here. It is extremely affordable and available locally so you may want to look at that one. It does contain silicones if that bothers you.

QD will not hurt the ability to layer SG, I just wouldn't use a carnauba based QD between SG layers as it may inhibit the bonding.

I am a QD junkie, I have so many! I love Zaino Z-6, Clearkote's Quick Shine and Wizzards Mist and Shine over my Zaino. QD's are quite similar and everyone has their favorites.

HTH! BTW you can get some results,(probably not all) by entering "Quick Detailer" in the search field.

Regards, Eric

P.S. Klasse AIO can be mixed w/H2O and used as a QD but it will remove SG if you have that on you car!
 
Fireproof said:
That's a good one! :rolleyes: BUT, given that 99.9% of Autopians' threads use acronyms (I have yet to see anyone spell out "quick detail"), I don't think such a search will prove fruitful.
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surprise : it returns 12(!!!) pages:xyxthumbs



Christiaan
 
cvcaelen said:
surprise : it returns 12(!!!) pages:xyxthumbs



Christiaan
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Okay, okay - you got me! ;) I shoulda tried it!!



Forgive me for doubting. :bow



:D



Thanks for the suggestion. I'll read up on those.
 
Another QD that I recently tried and like is the Duragloss FC (#921 - Fast Clean & Shine). It is locally available and works great for sealants and carnuabas. Priced ~$7.00/ 16 oz. :xyxthumbs :wavey
 
There was a thread a couple months back that concluded that pretty much ANY non-carnauba containing QD (like Pinnacle Crystal Mist, OGSO, Clear Pearl(?)) should work fine as a QD with Klasse because the thread was actually about Zaino. If it's okay with Z, it's okay with K.



I imagine it's probably better to use polymer-containing QDs like Sonus or Platinum, but not necessary. Over the counter QDs like Mothers Showtime, EO Wipe n Shine, and even the never recommended Meguiar's Quik Detailer all (reportedly) seem to work fine. Lots of people still like Megs #34 FI though.





I can't remember how I searched this topic either.... One thing I've found that really helps is if you're "creative" with the search engine. That is, if the word is too short you sometimes have to guess what other unique words might be mentioned too. Like maybe "safe" and "klasse", "between" and "klasse", or specific brands or products like "meguiars" and "klasse". Or even some similar concept like "safe" and "zaino". Sometimes you have to do some slogging through the titles to sort out the useful threads, but at least you get somewhere.
 
4DSC: I noticed your signature contains an "SG longevity" poll. However, (like other things) it no longer works.



Can you tell me what the results were recently??
 
I've been very happy using EF Clear Pearl (contains carnauba), Meg's QD Spray (contains silicones), Meg's FI (no silicones/wax). Of the 3, I think the EF CP is my #1 and the Meg's QD Spray is #2. I think the QD spray has the best smell. :D



The FI seems to be really wet and not distribute over the paint evenly, so my mf towel gets saturated quickly which then leaves streaks. I'm only doing 1 to 2 sprays per panel (1 on a 1/4 panel and 2 for the hood, for example).



If layering, you'd probably want the FI, since it does not have any silicones or wax, but I've used filtered water whenever I've had a removal SG problem (rare).
 
jimwh said:
Meg's QD Spray (contains silicones)

The FI seems to be really wet and not distribute over the paint evenly, so my mf towel gets saturated quickly which then leaves streaks. I'm only doing 1 to 2 sprays per panel (1 on a 1/4 panel and 2 for the hood, for example).
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While at the body supply store today, I saw a gallon bottle of Meg's Quick Detailer, (not FI), and it had a label that stated, "no silicones or waxes". You could see the stuff through the container and it appeared to be purple in color. Something new?

In using FI for years, I have never had the problem you are having with removing it. Maybe you got a bad spray nozzle. It sounds more like an application problem than a product problem. I do all of the surfaces of a car with one 16" x 16" PakShak MF towel and it is barely damp. In fact, I sometimes spray some FI directly on the MF towel to be sure I have enough for good coverage.



Charles
 
4DSC said:
There was a thread a couple months back that concluded that pretty much ANY non-carnauba containing QD (like Pinnacle Crystal Mist, OGSO, Clear Pearl(?)) should work fine as a QD with Klasse because the thread was actually about Zaino. If it's okay with Z, it's okay with K.
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:nixweiss :nixweiss :nixweiss :nixweiss
 
Fireproof said:
4DSC: I noticed your signature contains an "SG longevity" poll. However, (like other things) it no longer works.



Can you tell me what the results were recently??
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Eh I was waiting for the day I'd get nailed for not caring for that link! :p



It's fixed now, so let's see? I could get my SG over 6 coats per oz in the end, but decided that was too thin!



I also added a link to my ghetto homepage with no pics of my Klassed car yet. :p
 
jimwh

I got an e-mail response from Terry at CMA and he said that the EFCP does not contain carnauba and it does have silicones.

I'm still not clear if having silicones in a QD are a bad thing. It just makes me nervous using them in conjunction w/Zaino.

:nixweiss

CharlesW I am curious about the "new" Meg's QD. Any info would be appreciated!

Regards, Eric QD Junkie...
 
Reading off the bottle of EFCP....



"CONTAINS #1 BRAZILIAN CARNAUBA WAX"



That comming directly quoted from the end of the first paragraph on the left side of the bottle. (When looking at the front)
 
Volvoguy,

This is exactly what I thought, that's why I never ordered it!

Thanks for the heads up. I wonder why Terry said that in his e-mail? I asked about EFCP,EOWW&S and Sonus Spritz. I ended up ordering the Sonus because I use Z on the car and K on my wheels. I'm glad I did because I also recall other threads stating that EFCP has carnauba. There is no doubt now!

Thanks very much!

Regards, Eric

P.S. I used to work for Volvo in NJ and we would get 1yr leases for incredible rates with free insurance and free service. New Volvo every year if we wanted. Got layed off years ago. I miss those Volvos!
 
CharlesW said:
While at the body supply store today, I saw a gallon bottle of Meg's Quick Detailer, (not FI), and it had a label that stated, "no silicones or waxes". You could see the stuff through the container and it appeared to be purple in color. Something new?



Charles
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I think the product you saw was Quick Detailer which comes in a one-gallon bottle. It is #66 and is a cleaner/wax not a QD. The consumer QD is called Quik Detailer and is in 16 or 32 oz spray bottles. The "k" or "ck" is an important difference (and a dumb way to name these products). I am under the impression that Quik Detailer (the QD) was recently reformulated so as not to contain silicone. But perhaps I am mistaken.



As far as I can tell these are the only Meguiar's QD's:



Quik Wax: consumer product that is really a spray on carnauba but could probably be considered a QD; comes in red 16 oz spray



Quik Detailer: consumer QD; comes in red 16 or 32 oz spray



Final Inspection: Mirror Glaze/pro product; #34; comes in 16 oz spray or 1-gallon bottle; listed as paintable



Final Detail: Detailer product (pretty new); D-52; comes in 1- or 5-gallon bottle
 
The body supply store was out of the Quik Detailer I saw the other day. We think what I saw was the new formula with no silicone in a gallon container. When he restocks, I'll stop by again.

It might have been the Final Detail, but I don't think so because of the color of the product.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't the cleaner/wax Quick Detailer because of two things. It had a label on it stating "no wax or silicone", plus it was in a see through bottle rather than the tan one. The sales person also said he had heard the "QuickD"cleaner/wax was pretty agressive. Maybe better suited for production jobs. I bought a gallon of my old FI. I can find it, it works, it's not expensive, .



Charles
 
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