Which Blackfire sealant to use?

sjb89

sjb89

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Has anyone tried Blackfire Wet Diamond paint sealant on chrome wheels or Blackfire All metal sealant on chrome wheels? Is there any difference? the descriptions sound the same. Which one is better? How about durability? Are there any advantages with one over the other?
 
I haven't tried it personally, but the other wheel sealants that I have used definately have a higher temp rating than a normal paint sealant.
 
sjb89 said:
Has anyone tried Blackfire Wet Diamond paint sealant on chrome wheels or Blackfire All metal sealant on chrome wheels? Is there any difference? the descriptions sound the same. Which one is better? How about durability? Are there any advantages with one over the other?
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IIRC, the metal sealant has a higher temperature rating, although this wasn't by design but rather a by product of different formulas. The base polymers in All Metal Sealant are the same as All Paint Protection, so the foundation is the same. The difference isn't huge (by any means) but it is there.

As far as application to chrome, the All Metal Sealant is designed to last longer metal surfaces and All Paint Protection on paint and would be the best choice. The added (slightly) higher temperature resistance is just an added benefit.

Note: Also All Metal Sealant is will work fine on clear coated surfaces, so I generally use this on wheels of all types, for the ability to withstand higher temps slight.
 
Have you guys ever checked the temperature of wheels after driving? Most wheels on street driven cars rarely reach 90 degrees F.

I drove my wife's car (factory alloy wheels) from here to Livonia, MI, (about 2.5 hours) at 70 MPH. When we arrived, I gauged the temp on each wheel and the highest temp was 92 F. The outdoor temp was 94.


Here is a temp gauge on a 2011 Ford Edge after arriving at work. Travel distance 54 miles averaging 65 MPH.

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I use regular sealant, collinite wax, or a detail spray to treat clean wheels. If sealant/wax can withstand the 140-180 F temp of black paint in the sun, why wouldn't a sealant or wax be able to withstand wheel temps.

How many wheel sealants stress the importance of temp resistance? Very few. I believe it's of little importance unless you're driving for NASCAR.
 
Mr. Gloss said:
Have you guys ever checked the temperature of wheels after driving? Most wheels on street driven cars rarely reach 90 degrees F.

I drove my wife's car (factory alloy wheels) from here to Livonia, MI, (about 2.5 hours) at 70 MPH. When we arrived, I gauged the temp on each wheel and the highest temp was 92 F. The outdoor temp was 94.


Here is a temp gauge on a 2011 Ford Edge after arriving at work. Travel distance 54 miles averaging 65 MPH.

I use regular sealant, collinite wax, or a detail spray to treat clean wheels. If sealant/wax can withstand the 140-180 F temp of black paint in the sun, why wouldn't a sealant or wax be able to withstand wheel temps.

How many wheel sealants stress the importance of temp resistance? Very few. I believe it's of little importance unless you're driving for NASCAR.
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I have checked the wheels on my car, I guess I'm as crazy as you. :rofl After normal driving they where about 90 degrees, and actually (the front wheels) got hotter 1 hour after driving as the engine heat soaked the wheels (likely combined with the 90 degree temperature in Florida) brought the temp up to 100ish (IIRC).

The combination of the wheels spinning (and moving air) acts to cool them off rather quickly while the car is driving at any sustained speed. Particularly with vented rotors which almost all cars are equipped with. However during braking (particularly aggressive braking) the temperature of the braking system and wheel can spike. How high? I have no idea, but when you consider that the forward energy of a 3000-4000 pound car is being converted to heat, I would imagine it could be quite high.

As a side note I took my wife's car (which is an automatic) and measured the brake rotor right next to the caliper on her front wheel. I had her place it in drive and hold the car with the brake, which brought the temperature by about 10 degrees with in 10 seconds. Then I had her apply the gas slightly (enough where the body torqued) and the temperature started to increase fairly quicker. It was a while ago so I cannot remember the exact numbers, but I will repeat and post the numbers/pics when time allows.

Ultimately, the brakes are subjected to frequent heat cycles and designed to dissipate the heat quickly. I have heard of people boiling the brake fluid (IIRC above 300 degrees) with street cars on track days. Obviously this is no where near the normal abuse a daily driven car will see, and likely there was another cause (air/water in the line) but brake systems are capable of putting amount massive amounts of heat.
 
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