Where does Klasse AIO fall in the order of things???

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baker999

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Previously, I've used the Dawn wash, Einszett Polish, Clay Magic, and Einszett Glanz Wax routine. I just purchased a black suburban and want to make it look its best. The paint is incredibly good right from the factory.



I've considered the Klasse AIO/S100 route but I'm not sure where AIO falls in the whole scheme of things. Is it a polish, sealant, what??? Does it replace the polish or do I use it in addition to the polish (probably won't use polish for a while because the paint is in such good condition)?



Any other input on the AIO/S100 attempt is appreciated.
 
Klasse AIO is a polish/sealant. It would be the last polish you would use before applying S100.



So if you Dawn Wash, Einszett Polish, clay magic, and the Einszett wax.



I would, Dawn Wash, Clay Magic (if needed), Klasse AIO, then S100.



Here is P21S PCL (applied with PC) and a coat of P21S wax *same as S100 just a little more $$) on a black T-bird. I like the combo a lot as a final polish and wax.



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Keep us updated!



Jason
 
Why bother with the Dawn wash? Its a waste of time. Especially if you plan on polishing afterward. Just use a decent car wash. Dawn is unnecassarily harsh and isnt doing anything for you.
 
why I recommend a Dawn wash?



Well a new car isn't really new. It sits on a lot after it has been manufactured, then it has to be transported from the plant to the dealership. Even with a protective film on the car, there are some spots which are not protected. Once it gets to the dealership, the plastic is removed and is sitting on the lot waiting for pick-up.



A normal wash won't remove some of the stuff accumulated on the paint. A dawn wash is a little stronger and will remove more than a regular car wash.



But hey, to each his own,

Jason
 
forget the dawn wash, claying removes wax as it is, and a prewax cleaner, paint cleaner, or polish will remove wax also. Basically, wash the car with car wash(not dawn, automotive car wash soap), then clay, polish, and wax.
 
JasonC8301 said:
why I recommend a Dawn wash?



Well a new car isn't really new. It sits on a lot after it has been manufactured, then it has to be transported from the plant to the dealership. Even with a protective film on the car, there are some spots which are not protected. Once it gets to the dealership, the plastic is removed and is sitting on the lot waiting for pick-up.



A normal wash won't remove some of the stuff accumulated on the paint. A dawn wash is a little stronger and will remove more than a regular car wash.



But hey, to each his own,

Jason
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Dawn isnt any better at removing contaminents than anything else. It is better at degreasing if thats what you want. It also has a limited (and way over rated) ability to remove layered waxes, which most car washes are designed not to do. Dawn has a Ph of 8.1 where as regular water (and most car washes) is 7+. Because of this small edge in Ph it dissolves natural protiens like grease (and wax) better, thats it. A real serious soap/degreaser is a Ph of 12. On 99.99% of detailing its not needed or even recommended. Dawn has been granted "mythical powers and properties" in some circles. It's like old story of "The emporers New Clothes" so to speak.
 
Jason, hey how you doing! This forum has changed, hasn't it?



I'm not gonna say whether or not Dawn should be used, but I don't think it's ability to remove waxes is overrated. In my experience, it was strong enough to remove multiple layers of Klasse. Also, having a higher Ph is a byproduct of other, more harsh detergents in the shampoo. Ph, by itself does little in terms of harshness or cleaning ability. Dawn has a higher Ph than car shampoo because of the harsher, grease-cutting detergents it contains.



Now, Dawn may not COMPLETELY remove everything the way a solvent would, but it'll definitely remove enough to negate any bonding issues with sealants. What I think is overrated is how ppl are in mortal fear of applying sealants over waxes....even if there is only a trace amount left.
 
Intermezzo said:
Jason, hey how you doing! This forum has changed, hasn't it?



I'm not gonna say whether or not Dawn should be used, but I don't think it's ability to remove waxes is overrated. In my experience, it was strong enough to remove multiple layers of Klasse. Also, having a higher Ph is a byproduct of other, more harsh detergents in the shampoo. Ph, by itself does little in terms of harshness or cleaning ability. Dawn has a higher Ph than car shampoo because of the harsher, grease-cutting detergents it contains.



Now, Dawn may not COMPLETELY remove everything the way a solvent would, but it'll definitely remove enough to negate any bonding issues with sealants. What I think is overrated is how ppl are in mortal fear of applying sealants over waxes....even if there is only a trace amount left.
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Haha!!1 I agree 100% with the sealants over wax thing, its way out of hand!



Ph has nothing to do with detergent or cleaning properties, what we are concerned with is how a liquid (in this case dawn) dissolves proteins. Ph is a chemical make up characteristic, nothing more. Cleaning ability is determined by added surfactants, detergents mixes, and wetting agents and things of that nature.

This is a quick and dirty explanation of Ph cut from a website.



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What is pH? Good question! It is the measurement of the concentration of "hydrogen ions" (shown in chemical notation as H+) in relation to the concentration of "hydroxyl ions" (shown in chemical notation as OH-). An excess of H+ (hydrogen) ions over OH - (hydroxyl) ions makes a solution an acid. Conversely, an excess of OH - (hydroxyl) ions will make the solution alkaline (often referred to as basic). All solutions that are made up of water can be measured for their pH. The pH scale runs numerically from 1 to 14. On this scale, a solution that has a pH from 0 to 6.9 is considered to be an acid. It is acidic because it contains a larger amount of hydrogen ions. A solution that measures from 7.1 up to 14 on the pH scale is considered to be basic (or alkaline) in nature, because it has a larger amount of hydroxyl ions. As you may have guessed, a pH of 7.0 is neutral because it contains equal amounts of hydrogen (H +) and hydroxyl (OH-) ions. Pure, unpolluted rainwater or distilled water is neutral, because it has a pH of 7.0. It is interesting to note that the pH scale is a logarithmic scale. This means that a change of one pH unit indicates a ten fold increase in the concentration of hydrogen ions. For instance, a solution that has a pH of 2 has ten times as many free H+ ions as a solution with a pH of 3! Non-aqueous liquids or solutions (solvents such as gasoline, mineral spirits, chlorinated safety solvents) have neither hydrogen or hydroxyl ions. They do not have a pH, because they do not contain any water. As we mentioned before, pH is a characteristic of water solutions only. Without any water, we cannot have a pH.

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Some of you may be interested to know Dawn has also crossed over into taxidermy, for degreasing skins before mounting them.
 
Why do people always say Dawn? Is that just standing in for any hand dishwashing liquid?



I have a bottle of Joy on my sink. Would using that be any different from using Dawn?



Or is autopia getting some kickback from Dawn....
 
Dawn is suggested because it is one of the stronger detergents you can use. It also doesn't have the hand moisturizers and all that funky stuff that you don't really need on your car. If you read Zaino's instructions you'll see that even they recommend Dawn specificaly. Its not a required step but I have found that it does help a little. If you are going to start on a really messed up car then why not use the strongest soap you can find to begin with? I think it helps clean it up a little before you hit it with clay and polish. Every little bit helps I say. :)
 
I use a dawn wash before claying just to remove the wax and stuff. I have tried claying right over the wax to remove it and noticed the Clay getting all weird and stringy. The result of wax mixed in with the clay. After washing with Dawn I did not have this problem. So I always use dawn when I want to get down to the Clearkote layer.

Bob
 
baker999 said:
Any other input on the AIO/S100 attempt is appreciated.
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Do it! You will love the results.

AIO seems to be a great cleaner/prep for about anything you want to use over it. The fact that it adds some protection is another bonus. Both AIO and the S100 are so easy to use, you almost feel like it is too easy to do any good.



Charles



PS: I use Dawn for dishes and cleaning foam pads. :p
 
Mostly agree



Dawn, Clay, 2 AIO, 3 Klasse Sealant, 3 Souveran (haven't tried the S100 but everyone seems to use it ... and like it). Just finished my new M3 with this process. I know its silver and the pix aren't great but I think the car turned out pretty nice. I expect the process to last me a good 6 months washing every weekend with Ph balanced shampoo. Oh yeah ... i used my PC for each step of the process (except clay of course). I am hooked. Even waxing with the grey pad made a HUGE difference.



K2



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