Where are my suds?

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Jscort98

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I bought some duragloss shampoo last week and just tried to use it today. I used 3 capfulls in a 5 gallon bucket and it sudsed in the bucket but when I got my grout sponge in it and put it on the car there were absolutely no suds. It was just water. I tried using a jet of water to get some more but once the sponge went it and came out it was still water. I emptied that out and got some nxt wash and it sudsed just fine. Any ideas? Did I get a bad bottle maybe?
 
I've never had that problem with my DG 901. I use 2oz/3gal and have plenty of suds. You can borrow some of my suds if you want :lol



Another thing to mention is your not going to be picking up half as many suds with a grout sponge as say a sheepskin mitt.
 
Maybe you did get a bad bottle or maybe there was something left over in the bucket. I know some APC's will kill suds. I like DG and it's the only car wash I use. Try it again and see.
 
DG CWC always has MOORE than enough suds, 3 capfulls per gallon remember. DG CWC is perhaps the sudsiest wash Ive ever used aside from Ultima wash.
 
I wish I could remember back to my Surface and Colloid Chemistry days, but if I recall correctly, suds do not necessarily mean one surfactant is better than another. The encapsulation and bonding of soap to dirt occur on a very thin layer. I like a thick foam, but they are mostly air. They look nice and give you a good feeling, but the amount of sudsing shouldn't determine whether the car wash shampoo is good or not. If you had no lubricity, then I'd be concerned.
 
snowskate said:
I wish I could remember back to my Surface and Colloid Chemistry days, but if I recall correctly, suds do not necessarily mean one surfactant is better than another. The encapsulation and bonding of soap to dirt occur on a very thin layer. I like a thick foam, but they are mostly air. They look nice and give you a good feeling, but the amount of sudsing shouldn't determine whether the car wash shampoo is good or not. If you had no lubricity, then I'd be concerned.
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This is why I question as to whether the hype of foam guns is of any real world practical benefit?
 
wannafbody said:
This is why I question as to whether the hype of foam guns is of any real world practical benefit?
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Don't discount the lifting action of suds. They just aren't necessary for a good car wash is all. I think most people use their foam gun as a pre-soak.. and not as a 1 step method to clean their car.
 
Jscort98 said:
when I got my grout sponge in it and put it on the car there were absolutely no suds. It was just water.
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How new is the car? Recent dealer prep? When my truck was new, the dealer used something on the tires and when my mitt hit the tires, then the wash bucket, all suds disapeared instantly! And whatever it was, stuck in the mitt for several washes before I figured out what was happening and tossed the mitt in the trash. I finally used a strong tire cleaner, tossed that rag in the trash and solved the problem.
 
I use DG 901 alot....and never had a no sudz problem...I even used in hard water...was the sponge used for the first time..some times they use a anti mold type product on them for shipping...just a guess....



Their boat wash is a very low foaming soap being it is used by the water...and it cleans great..but very low sudz...



I use just over 1 oz for 3 gallons of water and have a bucket of sudz...but its the lubricity and cleaning on the paint I am more concerned with...sudz mean nothing ...



did you have any APC or other product in the bucket before...just seems funny you had no susz as it sudz very good ..some times to much....



Al
 
I think directions say to use 1 oz per 3 gallons of water. I'll wager you had about 4 gallons in your bucket; and 3 capfuls just isn't going to cut it. I've never had a problem with CWC not being incredibly sudsy.
 
tomstin said:
How new is the car? Recent dealer prep? When my truck was new, the dealer used something on the tires and when my mitt hit the tires, then the wash bucket, all suds disapeared instantly! And whatever it was, stuck in the mitt for several washes before I figured out what was happening and tossed the mitt in the trash. I finally used a strong tire cleaner, tossed that rag in the trash and solved the problem.
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It's the silicone in the tire dressing that kills the suds.



Did it give suds before you put the sponge in, in which case it's probably something on the sponge. If it gave no suds at all I guess it was to weak
 
charger17 said:
It's the silicone in the tire dressing that kills the suds.



Did it give suds before you put the sponge in, in which case it's probably something on the sponge. If it gave no suds at all I guess it was to weak
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Right on.



I have found that any oily substance that may have found its way either in the bucket, in the mitt, or even on the paint (and transferred to the mitt and bucket), will certainly kill the suds to the point of almost nothing. This is one of the reasons I no longer use tire dressings on my cars. But, road oils can also have the same effect if transferred to the wash bucket. It is amazing how quickly it will kill the wash solution!



When everything is clean and the way it should be, DG 901 usually produces an abundance of suds, so I'd see if there is something that got in the mix that killed it and try to isolate the source(s).





Mike
 
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