What are the biggest misinfos & misbeliefs?

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What are the biggest misbeliefs, misinfos & BSs you (we) can read on the detailing forums?



Recently, on more than one threads we could read about such 'mis-things'. Opinions?



Think of product usage, application, protection evaluation, technique... - generally every aspect of our enthusiasm!
 
The biggest mis info and fairy tale are the "miracle" products that can wash polish and protect, and not need waxing for 10 years. I hate companies that make stupid claims like that. Oh oh and teflon in products... that bugs the *beep* out of me too!!
 
I definitely agree with the miracle products.



Id also add that most people think household products are great for cleaning a car. Such as:



dishwashing soap for every wash... cuts the grease right?

various scouring pads... to remove bird poo and so on

regular windex for cleaning all glass....
 
you cannot wax a new factory paint job



stealership $900 sealants



windex is a good QD for paint



you need 3oz liquid wax to wax a car, put it on extra thick and let it sit for a couple days while you drive around
 
LouisanaJeeper said:
you need 3oz liquid wax to wax a car, put it on extra thick and let it sit for a couple days while you drive around



this reminds me of the picture Scott posted of his neighbors truck covered in a "shell" of TW :lol: :lol:
 
That the brand of product you choose is anything other than a personal preference.



That product is more important than process.





Tom
 
That new car salesman say you don't have to wax because it has a clear coat. And then try to sell them a $500 sealant.
 
I hate when people are under the understanding most waxes last for about a year, so why do they need a detail more frequently than that?
 
this reminds me of the picture Scott posted of his neighbor's truck covered in a "shell" of TW

I just saw an Intrigue a couple days ago with a thick layer of wax sitting on the paint while he drove it around. And it was sunny too. I bet it was fun to remove (if he has removed it yet).







That new car salesmen say you don't have to wax because it has a clear coat.

Yeah I had a neighbor that thought like that. Always told me that I'm wasting my time waxing because the paint gets all the protection it needs from the clearcoat. :rolleyes:
 
wifehatescar said:
I hate when people are under the understanding most waxes last for about a year, so why do they need a detail more frequently than that?



No kidding.



The people asking if I can handle their 'special' Cadillac paint irritate me too. I just casually pull out my photo album with Rolls, Bentleys, S Class, etc and they get the point. BTW, I get this question at least a couple times a year. The color might be special and limited to Cadillacs, but it is still just paint.
 
Scottwax said:
No kidding.



The people asking if I can handle their 'special' Cadillac paint irritate me too............The color might be special and limited to Cadillacs, but it is still just paint.



Preach brutha, preach!!!!!!:D
 
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this reminds me of the picture Scott posted of his neighbor's truck covered in a "shell" of TW

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I just saw an Intrigue a couple days ago with a thick layer of wax sitting on the paint while he drove it around. And it was sunny too. I bet it was fun to remove (if he has removed it yet).



Where I work (in the ghetto) some people seem to thing this is a valid winter protection method





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That new car salesmen say you don't have to wax because it has a clear coat.

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When I bought my cavalier, the salesman tried this line on me, and it was the wife who said: "My husband's been detailing for 15 years, you can quit BSing now." :eek: :rofl
 
People thinking that if the paint still beads that it still has wax on it. It's not wax it's high surface tension. Put a drop of water on a oilly surface and see it if beads. Why does it bead on a clean windshield. There's no wax on that. I've told a customer that wax is like suncreen. You put it on sunscreen and six hours later your putting it on. WHY? How do you know its' worn off, because the directions says so. Maybe you tried letting it go all day and got burned. Same goes for wax on your car. It's hard to tell if it's still protecting, so it's best to just keep up on it every couple of months. Then I say treat me as the directions, come back in about 4 months to get your car waxed again. Thank you and have a nice day.



JMO

Chubs



Also those know it all salesmen!! You don't need wax it's clearcoated.
 
Chubs said:
People thinking that if the paint still beads that it still has wax on it. It's not wax it's high surface tension. Put a drop of water on a oilly surface and see it if beads. Why does it bead on a clean windshield. There's no wax on that. I've told a customer that wax is like suncreen. You put it on sunscreen and six hours later your putting it on. WHY? How do you know its' worn off, because the directions says so. Maybe you tried letting it go all day and got burned. Same goes for wax on your car. It's hard to tell if it's still protecting, so it's best to just keep up on it every couple of months. Then I say treat me as the directions, come back in about 4 months to get your car waxed again. Thank you and have a nice day.



JMO

Chubs



Also those know it all salesmen!! You don't need wax it's clearcoated.



Oh no...you didn't.



Water will wet completely clean surfaces free of just about anything. In the chem lab this is how I tell if I have cleaned the glassware. If there are still beads, it hasn't been cleaned well and there is likely oil on it.



This may be true with "synthetics" but something with carnauba or some other type of lipid will bead up water when choesive forces are stronger than adhesive forces. This is also why adding detergents to water will make the water sheet off when rinsing. The detergent lowers the surface tension of the water. I have to question what good a wax is if it is hydrophillic. What good is it doing? Wouldn't anything that's able to mix with water be able to dissolve it? :nixweiss



The "hardness" of the surface (surface tension of the surface?) is not as important as the energy required to increase the surface area of the liquid. If the energy required to wet the surface is less than the energy required to stay in beads, then the water spreads. Grease or wax on the surface raises the energy requirement to wet that surface.



"Clean" glass may bead as the glass cleaner used may not be completely pure. Or it looks clean but isn't completely clean. :nixweiss
 
I see what you mean Corey. All I mean is that a freshly polished and waxed car will bead up. So then the customer will think since it's still beading up 6 months down the road it's still waxed and still protected from the elements. Which is so not true.



I should have better explained the windshield example,I meant that people don't normally wax windshields and they bead up.

As there is some kind of oils or such in glass cleaner to increase opictal clarity among other reasons that cause this to happen.



The thing is, it's hard to tell when the wax breaks down and is now longer protecting the finish. The oils used in polishes and even car wash soaps can help the car too bead up with no UV protection from the wax that was applied 6 months ago.



So how do you tell if its still protected?



Then you have cars that don't bead at all. Kind of the water wetting action, just looks like on big sheet of water on the car. You know there is no wax or anything on it. I'm not talking rinsing after you just soaped it, but during a rain shower and still no beads, you know there is no oil on the surface from a polish or such, but its not clean either.



All in all when a car is properly maintained that call will bead up from the wax (some waxes do sheet) and polishes on (in) the paint. But when does the wax start to fail, that was the reason for the example in the previous post using sunscreen. You really don't with the normal eye, just trial and error. I"m sure you could run lab test, but thats not in the real day to day world. Wax is the main UV protector for paint and just a step of a series of steps to totally protecting and replenishing your paint to keeping that new look to it.



This is just my thoughts and knowledge that I have learned,

Chubs
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
Oh no...you didn't.



Water will wet completely clean surfaces free of just about anything. In the chem lab this is how I tell if I have cleaned the glassware. If there are still beads, it hasn't been cleaned well and there is likely oil on it.



This may be true with "synthetics" but something with carnauba or some other type of lipid will bead up water when choesive forces are stronger than adhesive forces. This is also why adding detergents to water will make the water sheet off when rinsing. The detergent lowers the surface tension of the water. I have to question what good a wax is if it is hydrophillic. What good is it doing? Wouldn't anything that's able to mix with water be able to dissolve it? :nixweiss



The "hardness" of the surface (surface tension of the surface?) is not as important as the energy required to increase the surface area of the liquid. If the energy required to wet the surface is less than the energy required to stay in beads, then the water spreads. Grease or wax on the surface raises the energy requirement to wet that surface.



"Clean" glass may bead as the glass cleaner used may not be completely pure. Or it looks clean but isn't completely clean. :nixweiss



Quote: I have to question what good a wax is if it is hydrophilic. What good is it doing? Wouldn't anything that's able to mix with water be able to dissolve it? EOQ



1. Hydrophilic [: of, relating to, or having a strong affinity for water]. Affinity [: An attractive force between substances or particles that causes them to enter into and remain in chemical combination



Wouldn't anything that's able to mix with water be able to dissolve it?

Not sure I understand wax doesnâ€â„¢t dissolve water does it?



JonM
 
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