Wetsanding for tree sap?

saling4

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I am new at this, but a customer of mine (I have a pest control company) has a black bmw tha thad some tree sap on it. The guy that washes his car says no problem I will wet sand it and does. OMG!!! It shines, but the swirls were driving me nuts and it still feels like it needs to be clayed. Question 1: Does wetsanding for treesap sound right? Question 2: Should it need to be clayed it it was just wetsanded? Irecommended that the guy had some more work to do.

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That's what things like tarminator and claying are designed to do. I couldn't imagine wet sanding to remove sap.
 
I haven't heard of wentsanding down sap, but i have heard of sanding the top part of the sap to expose the center moist part which can be more easily removed.
 
I also cannot imagine sanding to remove tree sap. It is very easy to remove with a number of readily available and cheap products.



For example, citrus products will remove it and recently, I tried NAPA Bug and Tar remover and it was outstanding.



My truck is parked under a spruce tree that drops sap regularly so I do this all the time and would never sand my paint to do it.
 
Im going to try mineral spirits, I have some tree sap that sat for way to long and when I finally came to try and get if off it was rock hard. I used a sap remover and clay and polish and it got most of it off but you can still c the design of it on my spoiler. Does sap etch
 
I think sanding would ba a *last* resort



First, try "soaking" with a solution of a water based all purpose cleaner, properly diluted, on a cool surface, in the SHADE!

Let it soak for at least 5 to 10 minutes, keeping it wet with the solution, don't go playing "rubby dub" or you might created some serious scratching,etc, which then makes more work.

If, after it sets and you have wiped it off and washed off with plain water, they are still there, move to the next step.



Since most "grease/wax/tar" removers contain a fairly high percentage of xylene in them, do not recommend their use except when preparing a vehicle for sanding and repainting..



Honestly, the safest hydrocarbon remover you can use is naptha, used in many of the polishing and waxes used on vehicles, just under a different CAS#. Soak and let set, then wipe with a towel wetted with the naptha.

Where do you get naptha, simple, it is "lighter fluid" and will do nothing more than remove any wax or sealant on the clear.



Another, is plain old "rubbing alcohol".



It will not harm your finsh, just use it the same way, "LET IT SOAK", DON'T GO GETTING ALL IN A HURRY AND RUBBY DUBBING!



If none of these work, it may be from pine type trees that are emitting turpene and if so terpentine can be used.



If not .. move on to clay. You may get some scratching with clay, so be prepared to do some polishing after using it.
 
Sanding for Tree Sap ... WOW. Talk about extreme.



Remember, sanding should be a last step option unless you have an advance sanding system like 3M's Trizac or Norton's version. Using 2500 or 3000 grade paper as opposed to a med to heavy cut compound might be a better option for swirl correction but definitely not for sap removal.



Are you talking about removing sap or etching caused by sap? Those are 2 very different things.



Sap can be removed by a number of different products. Try Tarminator, Bug/Tar remover, WD40 an APC+ diluted correctly or Prepsol by 3M.
 
Try methyl hydrate=methanol=wood alcohol, it works instantly and evaporates instantly. If it leaves sap residue, from too much sap on the soft cloth, then just go over again with the MH or with a cleaner wax.
 
jesstzn are you in the bath or what youve said rubadub and rubbie dubbie way to many times in on thread...lol..anyways what would you do to remove etching from sap
 
Another idea to remove tree sap is to use a decontamination system like Auto Int's ABC system.



Not all tree sap is the same so it may take some experimenting to find the right chemical for the job.
 
oaevo8u said:
jesstzn are you in the bath or what youve said rubadub and rubbie dubbie way to many times in on thread...lol..anyways what would you do to remove etching from sap



As with any etching you will need to polish the surrounding area of the clear down lower than the etch to polish the etch out with it. Hopefully the etch isn't too deep.
 
~One mans opinion / observations~



Tree Resin (Sap):

(Appears like a dark brown/ red coloured surface mark) some of the most common resinous tree sap types are: White Pine, Maple, Oak, Popular, and Blue Spruce, none of which are water soluble, the acidic content of the sap will etch the paint surface, causing a concave surface.



Factors as to the amount of time it takes to remove sap and what damage it has caused are dependent on temperature and time the sap has been on the paint surface. Be careful and take your time removing it, remember always let the products do the work for you.



Tree sap that is still soft can be removed by soaking with Isopropyl Alcohol (or Stoner’s Terminator) wet the area with the product and allow it to remain on the surface for 3-5 minutes, then wipe with soft dry towel.

For tree sap that has hardened, carefully scrape the top of the spot off with a plastic razor blade to expose the softer sap inside.



Soak a towel with the solvent placing it over the sap and let soak for 10-minutes, repeat in order for the solvents to break down the sap, once its removed re-apply sealant / wax protection of your choice Some saps will lift and crack the paint, this damage will require refinishing





~Hope this helps~



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bretfraz said:
Another idea to remove tree sap is to use a decontamination system like Auto Int's ABC system.



Not all tree sap is the same so it may take some experimenting to find the right chemical for the job.



bretfraz .. oddly enough my posting above was information given to me by Ketch from Auto Int.
 
All you need to remove tree sap is some rubbing alcohol, just put some on a cotton ball and soak the sap in it for about 2 minutes then just rub it right off.
 
To answer sail4's question. Wet-sanding is too extreme for sap remove. It should only be used to remove etching caused by sap. A car shouldn't have to be clayed after wet-sanding.



Clay is like a really mild wet sanding. It will remove contaminates sitting on top of the surface of the vehicle. Wet-sanding is a much more aggressive procedure that will not only remove contaminates sitting on top of the paint, but will actually remove some of the paint itself.



The trick is to be able to buff out the sanding marks without having swirls in the paint. Since your complaining about the swirls, it is obvious he hasn't mastered that trick yet!!!
 
Thanks guys, I knew I could count on ya'll. I felt that the guy who wetsanded went to far too fast when easier means might have been available. I hate seeing anyone taken advantage of and/or car screwed up due to a detailers (car washer really)ignorance. Again thanks for the replys.
 
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