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I am planning on doing a major detailing project and may use (thanks to all the positive posts) the Valugard ABC system to prep the finish. Am I correct in assuming that you just go through these steps and it will take even a sealant off your car, eliminate the need for claying and leave that finish ready to accept any new polish, wax or sealant? No rubbing, etc?



I just tried the Valugard OEM one step and it goes on and comes off easily for all of you guys that have trouble with Klasse, etc. I am impressed with this product, nice shine, easy to use, feels good....what's not to like?
 
The ABC system should take care of most of what you are concerned about. It is pretty good stuff. If you have access to it then it is a lot safer than the old Dawn or vinegar route that a lot of people use. You are still going to want to clay though. The ABC system will help out quite a bit but it isn't really a substitute for a good clay job. The ABC will help with the IFO (industrial fallout) but the clay will still help in removing other contaminants. That is just my experience with it. I only did it on my rear bumper where the IFO was really visible and the finish was much smoother after I clayed it after the ABC treatment. That was just my experience though. I'm sure you could email autoint about it and they could tell you for sure if the clay is really neccessary.
 
ABC is no subsititute for a good clay job. In my opinion, it is a short cut method more suited to large volume detailers and dealers. Another thing to consider is that vitually all the OEM' use CLAY now and have approved it as the safest method for removing rail dust. These are just a few examples.......

http://208.245.156.149/chrysler.htm
http://208.245.156.149/ford.htm
http://208.245.156.149/gm.htm
http://208.245.156.149/hyundai.htm
http://208.245.156.149/isuzu.htm
http://208.245.156.149/toyota.htm

Remember, only clay will pull embedded contaminants out of the paint. An product such as ABC will mainly just get the surface contaminants, just like JNRBRDMAN reported.

Also, the Acid part of the ABC was designed to dissolve iron and rail dust. I don't know about you but I would skip a treatment like that on my paint. And some people still insist that dawn is harsh........hmmmmmmmmmm
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Jngrbrdman [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>It is pretty good stuff. If you have access to it then it is a lot safer than the old Dawn [/b]</blockquote>
Jngrbrdman, are you referring to Dawn's alkalinity?
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Intermezzo [/i]
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Jngrbrdman, are you referring to Dawn's alkalinity? [/b]</blockquote>
Personally I haven't ever seen damage to my car using Dawn. But just because I haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't happening, right? :) I definatly don't want to start another Dawn debate but I will say that if I didn't have access to anything else to get the Dawn wash results, then I would whip out a bottle of it. I wouldn't use it very often though. I believe what a lot of people have said about the damage that extensive use of Dawn can cause. Its like smoking. One cigarette probably won't cause lung cancer, but too many of them might.
 
Searched "valugard ABC system" and came up with a few threads that seemed to favor it over clay by a long shot. Check out posts here from Jasonc8301. wolfsburg, and Brad4rdHaye (did I get that one right?)- these are all guys who seem to know their stuff and have tried this. Supposed to be able to get below the surface and get at contaminants where the clay just cuts off the top.



What's more, it can be done as much as you want without worry of hurting paint in any way. I have been told by Ron K, and others that know what they are doing, that Dawn can break down paint. I ain't gonna go there...



Detailking, you seem to be against this system for some reason. IMO, the system is far from a shortcut as many have used it in conjunction with clay during the B part of the system. What's more, you could just do the A part to get off any sealant, wax, etc. and skip the B if you want and go right to the C wash to restore PH.



Seems to me that rather than a shortcut, this is a prudent "wanna make sure it is done right" move. I am very tempted to give it a shot...



This forum is great.....The Lizard is not worthy....:bow
 
If you have access to the stuff then use it. Personal opinions and results may vary. :D It is definatly good at what it was designed to do but, like dawn, I wouldn't use it very often. From what I can see from my use with the Valuguard line they make very good stuff. I still prefer Klasse to their OEM one step stuff and there are a few other things that I've had better luck with off the shelf products, but overall I would say they are good at what they do.
 
Opinions definitely vary, that much is obvious. For me personally, I just wouldn't want to use an acid on my car that is strong enough to dissolve embedded rust particles on my car, even if it was just after using a strong alkaline solution.



It's just psychological for me. Who's to say that ABC is unquestionably bad or Dawn is unquestionably bad for your paint plasticizers? Yeah sure, Ron Ketcham says it does, but like Jngrbrdman said in an earlier post, "Just because he has an opinion about a product doesn't mean there aren't other views and other facts." and I agree with brdman. I just feel more comfortable using Dawn. Heck, I use dawn almost nightly to do the dishes. Would you be willing to soak your hands in ABC every night?



Lizard, DK is not against ABC for just "some reason". Jason, Wolfsburg & Brad4rdHay DO know their stuff, I agree, but so does DK. It's just a matter of differing opinions. Besides, if the alkaline properties of Dawn were so bad for your car, why is there no fuss over the even stronger alkaline properties of Blackfire (Polish, Protectant & wash)? :nixweiss
 
I don't know the facts, the chemistry of ABC, Dawn or whatever. That is why I come to this forum. Hopefully to find out. All I know is that Ron K. works for a company that develops product for and in conjunction with major car companies. The man lives and breathes autopaint everyday. If his company has a product that is meant to neutralize contaminants and make the paint surface happy, I have a tendency to believe him. He has to have scientific fact to back up what he says or his company would not survive.



It is one thing to have opinions, that is fine. But this is something that addresses the foundation of all other things, polish, wax, etc. Surface prep, and proper surface prep, should be something that we all try to achieve. It should be based on science, not opinion. If anyone can tell me in scientific terms why Dawn is better or not, I would love to hear it.



Ron K. has presented facts about this system based on years of experience with paint chemistry, can anyone with a different opinion offer the same expertise?



I respect all the opinions posted here. I just feel that there should be some concrete answer to this question as it affects paint in a long term manner. Because of this, problems would not occur until major damage had already been done, and I do not want to deal with that scenario.
 
Consider this, Lizard. Do you think that the chemists that make Armor All have opinions about their products? Do you think the people that make Turtle Wax have opinions? Everybody has their opinion based on their own beliefs about what is right and wrong. Just because the guy that makes Armor All says it is a great product doesn't mean that there aren't other schools of thought on what that product really does. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. It doesn't have to be personal for someone to disagree with an expert on what they think is right and wrong.



Ron K is not a religion. Hes just a guy that happens to have a lot of knowledge and experience. That doesn't make him God or anything. His views and opinions are subject to debate just like all our opinions are. Nobody disagrees with him because it is personal. They just have different beliefs about what works.



I heard something when I was a kid and it has stuck with me ever since. I think it is very true in this case. "You can verify any opinion if you consult enough experts." Basicly you can have it proven that ABC is good and you can have it proven that ABC is bad. It just depends on who you ask.





edit: By the way, the question has already been answered for you. ABC will strip everything off your car. Even the sealant.
 
I think that you should try both and see what <strong class='bbc'>YOU[/b] Like!

People on this forum have nothin to gain if you use Dawn or Tide or any household soap.... They are just telling you what worked (works) for them. Y would they tell you to use it if it didnt work for them>? They are here to help you..........If you think that the ABC system is better then call Ron and get some, if you want to try Dawn run down to the store and get some of that...
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Jngrbrdman [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Consider this, Lizard. Do you think that the chemists that make Armor All have opinions about their products? Do you think the people that make Turtle Wax have opinions? Everybody has their opinion based on their own beliefs about what is right and wrong. Just because the guy that makes Armor All says it is a great product doesn't mean that there aren't other schools of thought on what that product really does. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. It doesn't have to be personal for someone to disagree with an expert on what they think is right and wrong.

Ron K is not a religion. Hes just a guy that happens to have a lot of knowledge and experience. That doesn't make him God or anything. His views and opinions are subject to debate just like all our opinions are. Nobody disagrees with him because it is personal. They just have different beliefs about what works.

I heard something when I was a kid and it has stuck with me ever since. I think it is very true in this case. "You can verify any opinion if you consult enough experts." Basicly you can have it proven that ABC is good and you can have it proven that ABC is bad. It just depends on who you ask.


edit: By the way, the question has already been answered for you. ABC will strip everything off your car. Even the sealant. [/b]</blockquote>
That was one of the better posts I've read in quite awhile here. Well said.:up
 
I have used Dawn, it seems fine. But when I read in many places and from many people that they would not do it too often, I wonder why.



When someone explains in such detail as did Ron K., I pay attention. When I see others disagree with him, that's fine. I just did not see anyone able to refute what he said. Just disagree with the reason being they think Dawn works fine.



I do not think he is religion, I just think he offered a more substantial case than did anyone else. Believe me, I would rather use Dawn, but because I may have to take the finish down a few times in the next month due to testing stuff, I want to make sure I am doing so in a safe manner.



Thanks to all who posted.
 
I'm looking for a product that actually removes wax off the textured black trim from a car. My car was in the paint shop and the decided to do a little buffing on it. Problem is they didn't get all the wax off the trim areas. I've scrubbed and tried everything I know but you can still see it when the sun hits it. it looks OK when not in direct light but if the light is hitting it you can still see it.


I see PAC sells a wax remover but not sure if anyone has tried it?


Thanks,
JG
 
I have used the Wax Blaster and it worked for me. Another product I have tried on black trim is Klasse AIO. I haven't found a piece of trim that it will stain and it did a good job of removing polish and wax residues.

What type of car and which piece of trim is it? Knowing this others may be able to give more specific advice.
 
biolink said:
I have used the Wax Blaster and it worked for me. Another product I have tried on black trim is Klasse AIO. I haven't found a piece of trim that it will stain and it did a good job of removing polish and wax residues.

What type of car and which piece of trim is it? Knowing this others may be able to give more specific advice.
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It's a 2009 GMC Denali. It's the pieces around the mirror and the one piece on the flat side of the rear bumper.

I don't have the problem when i wax it it's the B team at the dealership that does. I thought about carrying it back and telling them to fix it but I thought they will end up making a bigger mess trying to fix it. So your saying wax blaster will remove it?
 
Jgraham37128 said:
It's a 2009 GMC Denali. It's the pieces around the mirror and the one piece on the flat side of the rear bumper.

I don't have the problem when i wax it it's the B team at the dealership that does. I thought about carrying it back and telling them to fix it but I thought they will end up making a bigger mess trying to fix it. So your saying wax blaster will remove it?
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I have had good luck with the wax blaster or those types of surfaces. Just PM'd you. Check your messages, maybe I can help.
 
A very effective ,easy and cheap way to get wax off is using a pencil eraser.

You can also pre clean with a stiff denture brush and car soap . dry ......then try the eraser.
 
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