VM or RMG?

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Should I go with the VM or RMG on a black car?



Or should I do the VM topped with RMG?



Hmmmm. :nervous:
 
I think RMG is more user-friendly when you're using a PC. By hand, both products are great. Personally, I'm not sure why people use both. They both have light cleaners and abrasives, so how can one not remove the other?
 
I was asking if it is a very reflective combo? I know that AIO brightens things up, but I was wondering if UPP did the same. :bounce Also, what did #16 add to the finish?
 
Ah, your talking about max's signature. I can't speak for him, but I've used AIO/UPPx3 on my dad's white 300c with great results. Reflections were amazing and lasted for 2 months still beading like crazy when I removed it.



To the original poster, I like both VM and RMG. I've used VM/RMG/UPPx2/Souveran and that same combo without VM on my dark blue metallic scion tc. The combo with both VM and RMG had more depth to it and the wetness was slightly better. The paint also took on a darker shade than RMG alone. I haven't gotten the chance to use VM by itself, so I can't say anything about that.
 
Sleeper - AIO/UPP is my favorite combo on white and silver. #16 didn't add much to the overall finish. I prefer Paste Glaz on my car (especially over UPP), but the #16 is there solely for durability through the winter months. Even though I continue to wax once a month throughout the entire year. :)
 
I finally got some VM about 3 weeks ago. I like it a lot, but I I still think RMG does a slightly better job making the paint look really black and slick. VM is great there is just so much competition in that last polish/glaze niche that I'm probably more likely to go from my last polish (opt polish, sfx-2, etc...) right to rmg.
 
Well, since my paint condition sucks, I was thinking the VM would cover up some defects, while leaving the RMG to add some depth and wetness.



Or will the RMG just remove the VM?
 
1SLOW50 said:
Well, since my paint condition sucks, I was thinking the VM would cover up some defects, while leaving the RMG to add some depth and wetness.



Or will the RMG just remove the VM?
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No it won't. And VM is also a polish, so it isn't like using it is totally redundant - it will still polish and leave a good finish. I used them both on my car and I liked the results, I guess I was just saying for the most part the difference is very minor. Of course if we weren't all working our butts off for that perfect shine this would be www.sortofautopia.com. :)
 
White95Max said:
Personally, I'm not sure why people use both. They both have light cleaners and abrasives, so how can one not remove the other?
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RMG has light chemical cleaning properties only. RMG will make just VM'ed paint noticably darker and richer looking.





Optimum Polish and Clearkote's Vanilla Moose, both using Meguiars polishing pads, Red Machine Glaze using a Propel blue finishing pad, and Carnauba Moose Wax using a Meguiars finishing pad. :)



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Scottwax said:
RMG has light chemical cleaning properties only. RMG will make just VM'ed paint noticably darker and richer looking.





Optimum Polish and Clearkote's Vanilla Moose, both using Meguiars polishing pads, Red Machine Glaze using a Propel blue finishing pad, and Carnauba Moose Wax using a Meguiars finishing pad. :)



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Although Scott's photo speaks for itself, and I am always floored by any combination of Clearkote products, I am also confused with the VM then RMG usage. Even if RMG only has chemical cleaners in it, wouldn't these remove anything at all left behind by the VM? Why not just use a pure polish, then either VM or RMG, then your topper of choice?



If someone were to polish (say, Optimum, or SSR), then VM, then RMG, then carnauba, what purpose does the VM serve if the RMG adds depth to the paint that VM lacks? Theoretically, you would have an LSP ready finish after polishing. The RMG is a great glaze to add depth and gloss.



Again, I'm not trying to denounce this process by any means, just trying to understand. Everett from Clearkote responded to an e-mail I wrote him about this very matter and he suggested using one or the other (depending on hand or machine application) followed by YCW and then CMW. I currently have this combo on my GTO and am lovin' it.



I guess I would use the VM instead of a pure polish if I just had minor spiderwebbing, then RMG, then topper. Otherwise, one or the other makes sense to me.
 
VM will actually remove light defects with a polishing pad and a speed of 5 or 6. RMG won't affect the polishing that VM does, it just adds richness and depth. Look at it this way. If you sand wood with 400 grit paper then use 1000 grit, the 1000 grit does not undo what the 400 grit did, it enhances it.
 
As others have said go with both VM and RMG on Black.



I use the VM for its light polishing attributes with a polsihing pad and follow up with RMG on a finishing pad. Both a easy as to use via PC the VM needs a little more removal as it stays wet , where as the RMG seems to finish down and dissolve into the paint.



I would use another polish before both of them if the paint needs more work, I have used Optimum, Speed Glaze or the SSr ranges on black before to great results. On Black you will see improvemt still do the VM, RMG and then the Clearkote YCW.



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Top with CMW, Nattys Blue, Souveran or like I do both Nattys and Souveran and you wont be upset!
 
BlackSunshine, I also had a similar problem understanding the VM/RMG process, as one of the two seemed redundant. Eventually I got it.



If you use only one, you get both light polishing/cleaning and a glaze, regardless of which you use.



If you use VM followed by RMG, you use the VM for its polishing attributes and finish off with RMG as the glaze.



Of course, you could replace the VM with another light polish, but not all are sun-friendly like VM.



I hope this clears things a little.
 
Fully agreed. On customers cars I normally do one or the other.



VM on paint via polishing pad by PC that needs a light clean up.



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RMG on paint via finsinhing pad and PC on good shape paint needing a glaze.
 
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