To Circle Or Not To Circle
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MattZ28
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I go in straight lines. Circles increase the chance of swirling the paint greatly, and wastes product by overlapping so much. JMO.
Wasatch
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I've heard for polishes/glazes/swirl removers go in a circle, for waxes/sealants go back and forth.
MattZ28
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John Styrnol said:
I've read to go up and down, and back and forth with swirl removers, to level the swirls from all different directions.
imported_Lawdog
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So who subscribes to Sal Zaino's theory that you should go up and down on vertical surfaces and front ot back on horizontal surfaces to increase the shine?
Wasatch
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Now I'm confused, I heard this from a person/company that sells some nice products which many here have most likely bought from. So, how do you go up/down back/forth in one motion or do you?
togwt
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Quote: So who subscribes to Sal Zaino's theory that you should go up and down on vertical surfaces and front to back on horizontal surfaces to increase the shine?
~ One man’s opinion / observations ~
This application technique affects the paints optical properties by optimizing light refraction and the reflectivity of the bodylines and contours of the vehicle.
I have always avoided applying products in circular motions (reminds me of the Karate kid, wax on, wax off) but as Scottwax suggests it's not that important.
~ Hope this helps ~
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justadumbarchitect / so I question everything/ Jon
~ One man’s opinion / observations ~
This application technique affects the paints optical properties by optimizing light refraction and the reflectivity of the bodylines and contours of the vehicle.
I have always avoided applying products in circular motions (reminds me of the Karate kid, wax on, wax off) but as Scottwax suggests it's not that important.
~ Hope this helps ~
Knowledge unshared is experience wasted
justadumbarchitect / so I question everything/ Jon
Accumulator
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What Scottwax said :xyxthumbs
I do almost everything by machine, and they sure don't go in straight lines!
As for as the "different motions for horizontal/vertical surfaces", what's the objective science behind that idea? Look at a LSPed panel under extreme magnification and you won't see anything directional (if you applied it correctly).
I do almost everything by machine, and they sure don't go in straight lines!
As for as the "different motions for horizontal/vertical surfaces", what's the objective science behind that idea? Look at a LSPed panel under extreme magnification and you won't see anything directional (if you applied it correctly).
Circular es vs. Linear application is mainly to minimize the appearance of swirl marks.
For oily type products (glazes etc), circular application can be recommended as it probably works the product more into the pores of the clear then simply going in a linear fashion. No. 7 is probably one type of product that may benefit from circular application.
However, with that said and having a black vehicle, I personally only apply products front to back on horizontal panels and up and down on verticals.
Has it minimized the number of swirls, not really, but it does give me a bit of piece of mind.
Scott's absolutely bang on in that if you have a clean surface and a clean applicator, it doesn't matter.
The problem is, most vehicles are not in ideal condition so Joe Schmoe waxing he car on a weekend, could probably benefit a bit by not applying in the old "wax on wax off Karate Kid" method.
Paco
For oily type products (glazes etc), circular application can be recommended as it probably works the product more into the pores of the clear then simply going in a linear fashion. No. 7 is probably one type of product that may benefit from circular application.
However, with that said and having a black vehicle, I personally only apply products front to back on horizontal panels and up and down on verticals.
Has it minimized the number of swirls, not really, but it does give me a bit of piece of mind.
Scott's absolutely bang on in that if you have a clean surface and a clean applicator, it doesn't matter.
The problem is, most vehicles are not in ideal condition so Joe Schmoe waxing he car on a weekend, could probably benefit a bit by not applying in the old "wax on wax off Karate Kid" method.
Paco
Big Leegr
Swirls?!?! NNOOOOOOO!!!!!
As mentioned by Accumulator, the machines go 'round, so when I'm polishing/correcting, I guess I'm going around, although I do move the machine in back and forth lines, not all erratic.
If I'm using a 1-step, I tend to go round, as I think it helps smooth the swirls/scratches better. If I'm using a "beauty" wax, I might go back and forth.
I really don't see much difference though, as I remove product in a circular manner or short back and forths. Hoods and roofs are too long to remove some "sticky" products in straight lines, I think. So if you're going 'round removing, I don't think it makes a big difference when applying.
Anyone want to school me?:nixweiss
If I'm using a 1-step, I tend to go round, as I think it helps smooth the swirls/scratches better. If I'm using a "beauty" wax, I might go back and forth.
I really don't see much difference though, as I remove product in a circular manner or short back and forths. Hoods and roofs are too long to remove some "sticky" products in straight lines, I think. So if you're going 'round removing, I don't think it makes a big difference when applying.
Anyone want to school me?:nixweiss
65redcorvette
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Maybe a belt sander fitted with a MF cloth would be the best wax applicator. Seriously, I agree as long as you use clean stuff and do a good prep it doesn't matter, IMHO.