The abrasive level of NXT

[Mike_Phillips]

Saw the below posted here,



Do 1Z produects have fillers?

I would go with #2. I believe NXT is a synthetic and mildly abrasive. I'm not sure, though. If that is the case, there isn't much benefit to applying it over AIO. If you work it enough you will remove the AIO, making it a wasted step. If you don't work it in, I doubt you will get much of a bond applying a synthetic over AIO. For a topper, I would stick with S100.

Thought I would try to clear up all the misconception caused by, "Word on the street"







NXT has the sleightest amount of a very specialized cleaner that like all of Meguair's abrasives is a diminishing abrasive. There is so little of it in the formula it is hardly worth mentioning. It only works at the very beginning of application and quickly goes away. The chemist told me that Tech Wax will always leave behind more wax than it removes with subsequent applications, assuming you're not using any kind of aggressive application material or aggressive application procedure.





To say it is mildly abrasive is completely wrong.



Sheesh... where does this stuff come from?



Compare to Meguiar's Cleaner/Wax A-12 in the maroon bottle. This product is a very, very light cleaner wax. It is not intended to address a wide spectrum of surface defects. This product is not even mildly abrasive.



NXT is nowhere even close to having the cleaning ability of Meguiar's Cleaner/Wax. NXT is closer to a pure wax than anything else.



Another comparison would be #9 Swirl Remover 2.0 If anyone has ever used this product, they know how gentle this product is... it is not even considered mildly abbrassive, Tech wax is miles away from #9 in comparison.



Tech wax is miles away from AIO also.



Hope this clears up how non-abrasive Tech Wax is.



Mike

 

[DETAILKING]

A few of us have concern on the amount of Hydrocarbon solvents in the mixture. Can you comment on them? That will strip wax too.

 

[imported_Aurora40]

Another comparison would be #9 Swirl Remover 2.0 If anyone has ever used this product, they know how gentle this product is... it is not even considered mildly abbrassive, Tech wax is miles away from #9 in comparison.



Tech wax is miles away from AIO also.

It might depend on your idea of "mildly". I'd say #9 is mildly abrasive, and using it over a protectant will certainly remove it. The idea that NXT won't leave any AIO behind doesn't seem unreasonable, whether you call it mildly abrasive or barely abrasive or whatever. I think that was the main point. And you said it will leave more than it removes depending on how you apply it, and Nick mentioned that it could remove the AIO if you really worked the NXT. Sounds like you two are saying similar things.



I think what he meant more was the protection of AIO would be a wasted step, not that using AIO at all would be (though that isn't what he actually said). The cleaning aspect of AIO would be what still makes it worthwhile.



I see what you are saying, but I don't think Nick meant any harm to NXT. And in my use of it, in spite of any wording, NXT does seem to have a fair amount of cleaning potential. Not on the scale of SFP or AIO or something, but on the scale of MPPP (not C), and noticeably more so than products like Blackfire, Zaino, or #26 or #16. NXT will take off fresh water spotting, light bug-guts, and other things that many pure protectants, even with their solvents, wouldn't remove, at least in my experience. :nixweiss



This is perfectly fine with me, especially as I am now seeing more durability from it than I did on the first application, but it is a factor with the product. For me, it's what makes it a great choice on the Regal and 200SX, but an unlikely candidate for the Aurora (for which #16 is very high on the list of products to use). This is true of MPPP also, which I think is a great product.

 

[Mike_Phillips]

A few of us have concern on the amount of Hydrocarbon solvents in the mixture. Can you comment on them? That will strip wax too.

DK,



How do you know there are hydrocarbon solvents in NXT?





Mike

 

[Mike_Phillips]

Sounds like you two are saying similar things.



I think what he meant more was the protection of AIO would be a wasted step, not that using AIO at all would be (though that isn't what he actually said). The cleaning aspect of AIO would be what still makes it worthwhile.

My post was no dis to Nick, I just think that there are some people that for whatever there reason, they want to try to posistion NXT as a cleaner/wax in the same catagory as a real cleaner/wax and that is inaccurate.



NXT contains only a very sleight amount of some very specialized cleaners that are only in effect as you begin to use it.



From reading some peoples posts, you would think that it was an aggressive compound for removing #1200 grit sanding marks.



Regardless, like BretFraz said somewhere along the line, my reputation and Meguiar's is on the line. So far, I see a lot of nice looking finishes as a result of NXT and I read a lot of favorable experiences from it's use and it's only been out for less than 4 months.



Mike

 

[Scottwax]

My post was no dis to Nick, I just think that there are some people that for whatever there reason, they want to try to posistion NXT as a cleaner/wax in the same catagory as a real cleaner/wax and that is inaccurate.

I know the reason, but I am not starting a flame war.

 

[DETAILKING]

DK,



How do you know there are hydrocarbon solvents in NXT?





Mike

MSDS states it...



15-25% Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbons - My guess is probably a light Naptha



1-5 % hydrotreated Distillate - could be anything from Diesel fuel to Kerosene to Fuel oil

 

[Mike_Phillips]

MSDS states it...



15-25% Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbons - My guess is probably a light Naptha



1-5 % hydrotreated Distillate - could be anything from Diesel fuel to Kerosene to Fuel oil

Are all hydrocarbons bad for paint?



Mike

 

[imported_Aurora40]

Are all hydrocarbons bad for paint?



Mike

I would hope not. I think pretty much any carnauba wax has them in it... :nixweiss

 

[imported_Aurora40]

but I am not starting a flame war.

Sissy...

 

[DETAILKING]

No not all hydrocarbons are bad for paint, but I don't see how a product can layer if it contains solvents that remove tar, grease,etc and also any previous layers of wax.

 

[Mike_Phillips]

No not all hydrocarbons are bad for paint, but I don't see how a product can layer if it contains solvents that remove tar, grease,etc and also any previous layers of wax.

What products do you see layer?



Do you believe layering is a good thing? Is that what you do to your car's finish, layer on products? How many layers do you have on any of your cars currently?



Mike

 

[Mike_Phillips]

No not all hydrocarbons are bad for paint, but I don't see how a product can layer if it contains solvents that remove tar, grease, etc and also any previous layers of wax.

Well...



I did the little black marker test recently on a basecoat/clear coat finish using the following products, (clear over red basecoat)



* Zaino Z2 with ZFX

* Poorboy’s Carnauba EX

* BlackFire

* Pinnacle Souveran Paste

* Klasse SG

* NXT Tech Wax

* 4 Star UPP

* Control Square



Except for Klasse SG and Pinnacle Souveran Paste, all of the rest removed the black felt marker. All products were applied equally with integrity. I’ll have the paint panel available for the Autopian Detail Day here at Meguiar’s in two weeks and let anyone who’s interested play with it themselves.



As far as protection goes, here's what mud puddle water did to multiple layers of a synthetic polish

That etching, by the way, ate into the clear coat and we had to carefully remove some of the clear coat in order to remove the etching spot. So while layering sounds like a good idea, it doesn't mean it offers any more protection than 2-3 coats of a quality paint protectant.



Also, unless your car's finish is spotlessly clean at the microscopic level each time you apply a coat of a product that supposedly layers, then you are trapping, and sealing dirt into the finish.



Of course, this depends on whether or not layering, i.e. the continual increase of film thickness, is actually happening in the first place.



Mike

 

[Scottwax]

Sissy...

 

[DETAILKING]

All types of products can serve an individual purpose. If a product doesn't layer, it reapplies itself. Products that offer cleaning / swirl removing / polishing / etc / etc all have their place. ....But so do sealants that can layer.



No product can protect against acid rain water spot etching, but some sealants do offer protection against airborne contaminants and UV rays. They also offer a slick, non-stick surface in which little dirt can adhere to in the first place. Some properties noted in sealants that can layer are:



Increased Durability

Increased Depth and Gloss

Increased Slickness

Easier Reapplication

Increased filling of marring and swirling



If I had a garage queen that has not seen the light of day in a month and I chose to put another coat of wax on, I would definately want to LAYER on an additional coat to gain some of these benefits rather than do a reapplication. Results of a reapplication max out at the first coat and do not improve (unless the surface still needs further cleaning). If further cleaning was necessary, it would mean (in my eyes) that initial prep was not done correctly and a prewax polish or clay treatment was necessary.



That being said, everyone has their own waxing regime; From people that use a 5 step process to the guy that uses a one step all in one product. Everyone should use what works best for them and fits their ability, budget, and schedule. More importantly, people should know what products abilities are so they can make the right choice to tackle the job at hand.

 

[Mike_Phillips]

MSDS states it...



15-25% Isoparaffinic Hydrocarbons - My guess is probably a light Naphtha



1-5 % Hydrotreated Distillate - could be anything from Diesel fuel to Kerosene to Fuel oil

You're suggesting above Meguiar's uses Naphtha, Diesel fuel and/or Kerosene in their products?



From Meguiar's FAQ,



http://www.meguiars.com/faq/_index.cfm?faqCat=General Questions&faqQuestionID=29&section=_29#_29



The petroleum distillates Meguiar's uses are:



* Environmentally Safe

* Contain No Aromatic Hydrocarbons

* Contain No other Serious Air Pollutants





They are also distilled multiple times to remove:



* Carcinogens

* Reproductive Toxins

* Multiple other Impurities



You will be hard pressed to find another automotive appearance care company that goes to the extent Meguiar's goes to in order to create products that are both environmentally safe as well as safe for use by their customers.



Meguiar's new Detailer line by the way is completely VOC compliant for the year 2005. This includes all of the solvent dressings, and even Body Solvent, a product for removing tar. I know some people on Autopia in the past have posted negative and incorrect information about Meguiar's products and the solvents used in the past, but it was all based on their opinion, not fact.



What can I do to help you the most DetailKing?





Mike

 

[BradE]

You're suggesting above Meguiar's uses Naphtha, Diesel fuel and/or Kerosene in their products?

Since it seems your interested in playing a semantics game instead of answering the questions, he didn't suggest Meguiars uses Naphtha, he suggested it was light Naphtha to be exact. He also didn't suggest Diesel or anything else is used in Meguairs products. He gave examples of common hydrotreated distillates; he said it "could be" anything from diesel fuel to kerosene to fuel oil. "Could be" does not denote use, or suggestion there of, it's a logical variable meaning the unknown.

What can I do to help you the most DetailKing?

Not for just DK, but how about fully answering the questions posed to the best of your knowledge instead of selecting parts of arguments to recite from the Meguairs product manual? Continually answering questions with questions tends to draw the ire of the masses as well.



BTW, nice job ignoring DK's latest post and replying to something from 4 days ago. :up