tell me your opinion (complete sand and polish)

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5150kon

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ive got a potential customer with a 66 caprice he just had painted. paint isnt bad but isnt show quality either, orange peel doesnt match in spots, didnt sand the dirt out all the way, little bit of this little bit of that. he told me he wants it flat and perfect. he also was telling me he heard that the waves in the paint can be sanded out, now i always thought this was the body work not the paint, am i wrong?



any way here is the process im thinkin bout doin, please feel free to pick it a part and add some advice in. (i worked for a body shop and im going off how we did the cars there)



sand 1500

sand 2000

whool pad & 3m compound

black pad # 3m SMR

ultra fina

seal & wax



question about the sanding should i do it with two different grits or just do one? i havent checked the depth of the clear yet either which makes me question two passes sanding. also last time i did something like this i did it with a DA, would it be better to go at this by hand?
 
If you're new to this, and it sounds like you are, stay away from this job. This can

turn into a nightmare in a hurry... Painting cars and colorsanding and polishing them

is what i do.



The "waves" he's talking about might be the body work and/or urethane wave.

If it's the later, it may sand and polish out. BUT, you'll have to start with a very

course grit P600/P800 to level it. Needless to say, that's dangerous for someone

new and even for seasoned pros. 1500 wont do much leveling...



Walk away from this one until you get a lot more experience and knowledge.
 
STOP, now, back slowly away from the car. Turn... now RUN!



The only thing I disagree with as far as what Flashtime said was how fast you should get away from there.



If they didn't get the orange peel consistent there's no way in hell there's enough paint on that car to give that guy what he's "heard" he can get. You could work for a week, get that car as perfect as that paint would let you and still have an unhappy customer on your hands. Even if you cut the waves out, the chance of the body work being good enough for the normal inconsistencies not to show - which that customer will see as waves - is essentially zero. (To repeat what Flash said.)



I've got thirty years in this and hundreds of cuts and polishes behind me and I would tell the guy I can make that car look as good as it's capable of looking but that I'd suggest leaving a little, though not much, orange peel to help hide the other flaws. Cut for consistency with what's there, don't even think about flat or perfect. Be happy or do the whole car from metal out again.



Robert
 
im not new, i worked for abody shop and colorsanding was an every day thing. just asking for opinion (other than walk away, i know when to much is to much). now the 600/800 sanding i wont do, that i know i dont have the experience for.
 
WhyteWizard said:
STOP, now, back slowly away from the car. Turn... now RUN!



The only thing I disagree with as far as what Flashtime said was how fast you should get away from there.



If they didn't get the orange peel consistent there's no way in hell there's enough paint on that car to give that guy what he's "heard" he can get. You could work for a week, get that car as perfect as that paint would let you and still have an unhappy customer on your hands. Even if you cut the waves out, the chance of the body work being good enough for the normal inconsistencies not to show - which that customer will see as waves - is essentially zero. (To repeat what Flash said.)



I've got thirty years in this and hundreds of cuts and polishes behind me and I would tell the guy I can make that car look as good as it's capable of looking but that I'd suggest leaving a little, though not much, orange peel to help hide the other flaws. Cut for consistency with what's there, don't even think about flat or perfect. Be happy or do the whole car from metal out again.



Robert
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ya i already told him i more than likely cannot get the waves out, as for the orange peel i was leaning more on making everything even rather than a perfectly flat surface. and especially now that you bring up the good point of hiding other flawes in the body work. the customers is actually a co worker and the car is here at work, im going to have him pull out today so i can go over everything with him, hopefully after that i can convince him he doesnt need the whole thing sanded down, and get away with spot sanding the missed dirt and the heavy orange peel to even out.



i may not have the experience that you guys have, but im not new either, i worked for a body shop where color sanding and polishing was all i did all day. but i do respect your opinions and thank you for the advice.
 
If you haven't tried sanding with the 3M wet 1500 trizact on an AirVantage sander you're in for a treat. You use just a spritz of water so there's almost nothing in the jams, very easy cleanup, and because of the water there are no pigtails unless you pick up contamination.



I follow that with 3000, again wet, and it makes polishing a breeze.



Robert
 
i didnt know 3m had a trizact 1500. i love the 3000 cause like u said its cake polishing it all out. if you get a chance ide love to chat about your techniques and tricks, and what products you prefer to use.:waxing:
 
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