Swissol Concorso vs. Zymol Concours

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01bluecls

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Hello all, I have been recently BLESSED with the opportunity to detail an 89 Ferrari 328 and have details scheduled for a Ferrari F430 and a Bentley GT tomorrow. Now that I am doing more VERY HIGH END cars I want to upgrade my wax selection as well to match. Based on what I can afford right now I am looking at Zymols Estate Glaze Concourse and Swissol's Concorso. THe Zymol goes for around $165 and the Swissol is around $200. I have done lots of searches but havent come up with any that has used specifically both of these. I already have used Pinn Souvereign and P21S, and everything else practically. I have had the pleasure of using Swissol Scuderia from the owner of the 328 and I LOVE IT! Its "specifically made (marketed) for Ferrari's" I can say it was more clear and deeper the Pinnacle Souvereign. Any comments other than bashing the pricing of these waxes would be greatly appreciated! BTW I wil post the details Saturday evening for your viewing pleasure!



I WISH I COULD FIND THE ESTATE GLAZE SAMPLER KIT BUT I HAVE LOOKED EVERYWHERE TO NO AVAIL! :( :( :( :( :(
 
Does the higher price car mean you have to use higher priced wax? By saying that, I assume you think the zymol wax is also worth $1500....you will likely get just as good results with a $30 wax
 
Hello 01bluecls



First of all, I agree with the above post , for the most part.



Having said that, I've used Zymol Concours and liked using it and the results. Personally I "think" you won't go wrong using either the Zymol or the Swissol. Are you planning on telling your customer(s) how much you paid for the wax you used on their car(s)? ;)



Here's a link you "may" find interesting (or not :) )





http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=77925
 
runnerbl said:
Does the higher price car mean you have to use higher priced wax? By saying that, I assume you think the zymol wax is also worth $1500....you will likely get just as good results with a $30 wax
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I agree with this too. Save your money and concentrate on the prep of the finish prior to the LSP. Invest your money on a good rotary and make sure you perfect the art of using it before maybe marketing yourself as using expensive supplies. I personally think that expensively rediculous waxes are not worth the money. :think2
 
Give it a shot, i did and well honselty im still waiting on my wax lol , its been back orered for over 3 weeks now. I tried the carbon wax (hand crafted) and LOVED IT, I honslty thought it was peter then Sovgerign (just my opion) I have also started a thread on the zymol estate glaze, defiinlty mixed reviews , i am giving conours a shot, if I like it ill buy the vintage if not well its 200 bucks and it saved me 2300 (im in canada). Heres a link to a few threads that might be help full



http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=78176&highlight=zymol (yes i know i spelt the thread title wrong lol, i added an extra O)



http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=78623&highlight=zymol



http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=77802&highlight=zymol



http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=77725&highlight=zymol



Also an option might be starting with there hand crafted prodcuts, see how oyu like those. I know there diffrent but work your way up to 1500 so your not just jumping in the deepend so to speak



Good luck and I have to say im REALY REALY REALY jelous you get to work on cars like that, I know thats my goal for my new shop



-mike
 
01bluecls said:
Any comments other than bashing the pricing of these waxes would be greatly appreciated! (
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Stick to the question guys :o The topic of cost has been beaten to death so lets move on.



I personally have not tried swissol, but have zymol concours (along with Ital, Destiny, Vintage, Atlantique, souveran and Victoria COncours). I have prefered the concours to the Ital (which would be similar to the swissol wax for the ferrari). I can give a major thumbs up to concours as imo it gives a better clarity/range on my cars than souveran (souveran does look slightly more wet). There are several threads on zymol concours with great pics of what this wax can do. Maybe someone can chime about swissol.
 
chris - did you pick up new business from next door?



It is kind of off topic, but you have to try max wax. $24.95 & looks better then carbon from Zymol.



How ever prep is the key so why not do 4 or 5 polishing step and top it with your fav. wax and see what happens. less $$$
 
Im sorry, I assumed most of you know my backround. Im not a noob at this, I own a rotary and im very efficient with it. I have detailed many cars before and won two of the Autopia contests last year. I know prep is 90% products are 10%...I want that 10%



I have used many waxes before, after using the Swissol wax the customer provided I notice a beneficial appearance difference from my already expensive souvereign (without knowing the swissol was more expensive). I said the same thing when I went from P21S to souvereign....i never thought I spend 80 bucks for wax, but when I started using souvereign, I NEVER looked back.



Like I said the purpose of this thread is to feed off someone's personal expierences with the 2 waxes. I have already searched the threads about the numerous amount of bickering that goes on about the Zymol waxes. Im not in anyway trying to start a war here. I know there are some on here that have tried these waxes that feel they are better, whether they are worth the price really boils down to each person's opinion and preference.



I guarantee something in everyone's home wasnt worth the "extra" money but think about why you bought it. To each its own! (THIS WAS NOT A RANT) :) :)



Again im not a noob! lol
 
each to his own I guees, my partner swore by max wax before i satrted going off the deep end nad ordering every new wax i could afford. I didnt like max wax as much as zymol, but hey its just my humle opion, hell its worth a shot
 
Hey Thomas, actually no...it was a referal of a previous cusotmer that lead to another referal! Word of mouth is a great thing!



Ashsarna-- thank you...hopefully this thread wont turn into the other ones. From what im hearing the Zymol Concours is a little hard to work with but worth it. I havent hear too many bad things about the zymol concours and it seems consistent with a lot of members that is has some better qualities than Souvereign.



Im still curious to hear a little more about the Swissol though. I believe the brand is more predominent in Europe, Australia, etc. Maybe some of them will chime it.
 
I just hate it when this topic comes around. Try Zymol Concours yourself...and then tell us what you think. Compare it to any wax that you think could match or best it.....if you dare.....



The results from an EGZymol will speak volumes; much more than any description (minus the pics of course) any one could give.
 
lbls1 said:
I just hate it when this topic comes around. Try Zymol Concours yourself...and then tell us what you think. Compare it to any wax that you think could match or best it.....if you dare.....



The results from an EGZymol will speak volumes; much more than any description (minus the pics of course) any one could give.
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I have read all your posts regarding the Zymols which is good to hear, so i know you are tired of defending them! LoL!



Im pulling the trigger on one of these waxes...but since they are somewhat similiar in price and I cant afford BOTH, I wanted to know which one (Swissol or Zymol) has certain attributes. Just wanted to hear some more expierences regarding the Swissol Concorso before deciding. That's all I wanted this thread to be :)
 
01bluecls said:
I have read all your posts regarding the Zymols which is good to hear, so i know you are tired of defending them! LoL!



Im pulling the trigger on one of these waxes...but since they are somewhat similiar in price and I cant afford BOTH, I wanted to know which one (Swissol or Zymol) has certain attributes. Just wanted to hear some more expierences regarding the Swissol Concorso before deciding. That's all I wanted this thread to be :)
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I have to admit I am curious myself. I have heard a lot about them, but have not yet tried their waxes. I also have heard about the suit between them and Zymol....but that doesn't necessarily have an impact on the quality of either waxes.



Swissols are priced below a comparable zymol (if that's hard to believe), but their waxes can be pricey too.
 
Both are great,High end products,but i personaly would favour the swissol waxes more ;) I have used both,the Zymol concours is a little harder to work with,as it is an enzyme mixture.The Swissol concourso(like all swissol waxes) can be applied to the whole car and then left before removal,without any problem.I find the Zymol concours to be very deep and clear,gives amazing long range clarity(DOI),the Swissol concourso is also very deep,clear,but it gives a unique glow to any colour,but is more noticable on dark paints.The formula of Swissol concourso was changed about two years ago(along with the name,it is now called Smaragd,Best of show),the concourso contains both white and yellow #1 carnauba as Zymol concours,but has a slightly lower content of the white,and is richer in its oil content.The new Smaragd version is almost all #1 yellow carnauba,that is unbleached,has a lower oil content than concourso,and contains slightly more wax.
 
I would have to say the Zymol personally.



Have you considered the Vitoria waxes? They go for a lil over $100 and leave impressive reults to say the least.
 
Thanks guys, Wise 85 great info. Someone had told me that the Zymol Concours is a little hard to work with and streaks if not done properly (maybe since it has a more oils?)



Martinager...I assume you mean the victoria waxes, which wax are you referring to since I only see the Concours wax (red) is going for 48.35 for 6 0z...do you have a link?



If only the Zymol Sample kit was still available I would order that in a heart beat and call it a day. I called and emailed 10 different website and all sold out :( LBLS1-- care to sell me yours? ;)
 
01bluecls,although a great product,Zymol concours can streak usually if it is removed in a brisk fashion.That is the slight disadvantage of the enzyme formula Zymols,you need to take your time with them,remove slowly after letting it stand for no more than 2 mins,then come back several hours later and gently level the surface.If you do decide to go with the Zymol,remember the added time involved,and also depending on the weather,be aware that you may get a slight haze/cloud form after buffing,it's not a real problem,just a trait due to the excess oils migrating to the surface.
 
01bluecls,

I am sure that Martinager meant the exact same red concours you saw. Remember its for 6oz, while the other waxes are usually 8oz. And as you can see from my signiture, I love the victoria red (hey I like all of them thats why I have several goto waxes as the moodiness permits ;-)).



Also try to use the autopia 'Hot Tub' trading/selling segment to ask for some Zymol. I did, and had to wait three weeks. Then got three offers! Took them all :o .



Wise 85,

do they offer anywhere sample kits of the swissol? Appreciate/enjoy your knowledge on the zymol/swissol products.
 
ashsarna,i'm happy to help.Unfortunately,at present Swissol does not offer any sample kits for any of its products,and as far as i am aware,Zymol has discontinued the pebble beach sampler kit,as well as the other kit(i forget the name) that included carbon,concours,and destiny.The only other maker of comparable products,who offers sample sizes(3oz) of his waxes,would be David Wyllie of Victoria wax.
 
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