Suggestions for 1 pass on Porsche?

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jleev

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Thank you ladies and gentlemen for an incredibly knowledgeable and in-depth forum.

As a relative newcomer I have spent many hours combing past posts in regards to ‘Black’ paint It seems that the only sure fire method of removing existing swirl marks is with abrasive compounds and a polisher of some kind. Not being skilled in this area I would like your recommendations on a professional I can take my vehicle to for an initial de-swirl treatment. I am not confident in practicing on my ’97 993. I then plan on using the Zaino products which I have used successfully for many years to keep this vehicle swirl free.

Any suggestions/recommendation for a professional in the Pasadena / Los Angeles area would be greatly appreciated.



Thank you.
 
Two references:

<strong class='bbc'>Chuck (800)283-5513 (answering service)[/b]
I personally haven't used him but he was HIGHLY recommended by a good friend that is really into cars and owns a couple of Brabus MBZ

<strong class='bbc'>Bey's Auto Detail (310) 820-4073[/b]
They have done my Black SC430 and I was EXTREMELY happy with the results.
 
Hey that's cool if you want to use a good detailer in your area. However you can do so much yourself armed with Autopian knowledge and a few tools you can work miracles. You CAN do it. Before I found this forum I would never have used a powered machine to polish or wax my black Porsche. After learning more and more and even watching online videos that Mayor David created, I gained the confidence to purchase a PC machine and use it for 3M's FI II and SMR. Wow was I ever impressed with the results. I take a lot of pride in getting those kind of results myself.

For the cost of a high end detail you can built a really useful arsenal of cleaning products. Here's a few things I'd recommend:
<ul class='bbc'>[*] Porter Cable Random Orbital Polisher with asst. pads[*] 3M Finnesse It II & SMR [*] A good wax or sealant[*] Micro Fiber or 100% Cotton terry towels (prefer MF) [*] Quik Detailer [*] Glass Cleaner[*] Vinyl/Rubber protectant[*] A big wash bucket w/ a quality wash mit & car wash soap [*] Carpet cleaner[*] Leather cleaner & conditioner [*] A dozen foam applicators[*] A poly clay bar[*] David's ebook[/list]
Good to have you on board and I look forward to your future participation and hopefully some Porsche pics too. :xyxthumbs
 
Try Bob Gecko in Culver City. He's one of Autoint's recommended detailers (silver rating) and has over 20 years experience with a high speed buffer. I talked to him over the phone for about 30 minutes because I was looking for a good detailer for a friend of mine. He seems to have 'Autopian-like' standards. Go to www.autoint.com and click on their link for detailing professionals to find his name.
 
I have a friend with a yellow porsche coming over this weekend for an introduction to car washing with ONR. After that I'm going to see what I can do to remove the light swirls on one panel. It's a newer 911, but not sure exactly what year.

I was thinking either a white or green pad with M205, any opinions on if those will do much against light swirls on porsche paint, and if they will finish down nice enough?

If I can get a good result on one panel with one pass, I'll do his whole car at a later date when I have enough time.
 
I just read an article by Todd, where he worked on a newer black porsche, and used M205 with a black pad, and then followed up with Optimum Poli-seal on a black pad.

So maybe I'll try M205 with a black pad, and then follow with Klasse AIO on a black pad.
 
It really depends on the condition of the paint. Are the swirls light or heavy. Porsche paint is pretty soft and cleans up well. You can try the M205 on a black pad, but the black pad has very little cut to it. If that doesn't work, try the M205 on the green pad. The green has more bite to it then a white pad, and finishes down nicely.
Let us know how it turns out.:thumbup:
 
Also try M105 on a white or green pad if the M205 is not giving you enough cut. M105 can finish down pretty well.

Keep the pad clean by brushing and blow compressed air across it often.

Todd has told me of this method which works pretty well.

After doing your initial cut with M105/orange do not remove the residue. Prime a black pad with M105 and use medium to light pressure to quickly go over the same area. Do not overwork the area.

If you have 2 D/A's, you can get this done pretty quickly.

As always keep both pads clean as above.
 
bmw5541 said:
It really depends on the condition of the paint. Are the swirls light or heavy. Porsche paint is pretty soft and cleans up well. You can try the M205 on a black pad, but the black pad has very little cut to it. If that doesn't work, try the M205 on the green pad. The green has more bite to it then a white pad, and finishes down nicely.
Let us know how it turns out.:thumbup:
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Well I looked at it with my LED light, and there looked like very minor swirls. Nothing like I had to fix with my Infiniti G35.

I thought the green pad was milder than the black one?

I'll definitely post how it went.
 
gmblack3 said:
Also try M105 on a white or green pad if the M205 is not giving you enough cut. M105 can finish down pretty well.

Keep the pad clean by brushing and blow compressed air across it often.

Todd has told me of this method which works pretty well.

After doing your initial cut with M105/orange do not remove the residue. Prime a black pad with M105 and use medium to light pressure to quickly go over the same area. Do not overwork the area.

If you have 2 D/A's, you can get this done pretty quickly.

As always keep both pads clean as above.
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Yeah, I read about that, and somebody just posted a detail where they finished with M105.

But I tell you... I really hate working with M105! It flashes on me like a mofo. If I'm doing a 2 step, it's not a huge deal, I just use the second step with M205 to remove the M105 flash points.

And I WISH I had two DA machines... but unfortunately I'm doing this for entertainment, so I can't buy too much crazy equipment.

I dont' have an air compressor, but I regularly wipe down the pads with a MF, as I've read about here.
 
Porsche paint tends to be very easy to work with. M205 on a white or Black pad should yield some good results....the bumper covers may require a little more effort though. :soldier:
 
shizam1 said:
Yeah, I read about that, and somebody just posted a detail where they finished with M105.
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That might have been me. Just to let you know what I found from doing it, using 105 with a light/no cut pad really increases its work time, reduces dusting to almost zero, and leaves residue that is very easy to clean up. In other words, pretty much the exact opposite of using it with a cutting pad. :wink:
 
mikenap said:
That might have been me. Just to let you know what I found from doing it, using 105 with a light/no cut pad really increases its work time, reduces dusting to almost zero, and leaves residue that is very easy to clean up. In other words, pretty much the exact opposite of using it with a cutting pad. :wink:
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Very interesting, I might have to give that a shot and see what happens :)
 
In addition to the M205 suggestions, I've used Menzerna 203 as a one step before with great results. Not sure if it'll have the cut depending on the swirls you're dealing with but if you have some you might want to do a side by side with M205.

I've used it with White, green and black pads before to vary it's effectiveness. Finishes beautifully!
 
Well, my friend with the yellow Porsche finally came over this Saturday. We spent two hours on the car. He got a tutorial with ONR, then I had him clay the whole car while I polished the hood with M205/Black LC pad. Then I showed him how to use Klasse AIO on the whole car, and I applied it with my DA with a Black LC pad on the hood. That part didn't work so well, I think I put way too much product on!

Anyway, the hood looks much better compared to the other panels. Still a few imperfections, but dramatically better in sun spots. It's a yellow car, so it's hard to see swirls anyway.

The end result, he says it looks even better than when he got it from the dealership ;)

I sent him an e-mail with links @ PAC to all the products we used, so he to can do his own garage washes with ONR.

I told him I could polish the rest in February, or if he felt bad for me spending all that time, I forwarded him Brian's website @ PeachState detailing.
 
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