sudsless wash?

southerndetail

southerndetail

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I thought I would play around with some low or no sud washes today and found that it can be done safely. ONR or DP 4in1 can be used on a dry car without any harm why can't I use it as my regular wash? I used about 3 ounces for 3 gal of water to that I added about an ounce of car wash, instead of sticking my pressure washer wand in the bucket and producing lots of suds I stirred it all together with my hand. I used it on a very dirty Q45, though it was not completly suds free there were nearly no suds and made rinsing much easier. For security I used a S&W to aid while drying. I will continue to mess around with different combinations, but still in the end it took me 50 min to do inside and out.
 
While I'm certainly no car wash expert, I think I remember reading that the sudsing of the products is because the manufacturer's add a sudsing agent to the mix.
Hey, if it has lots of suds, it must be good, right?
Actually, I think the sudsing has very little to do with the quality of a car wash product. It's done mostly to satisfy us crazies who link suds to good.
Keep experimenting, maybe you can come up with a no suds car wash and get it to market before LuxuryDetail releases his. :)
 
My feeling is if there are no suds how can I tell if its working? :D

I would be interested to see what you have and how it works on real dirty cars.

I guess I also don't see why having no suds is needed...the suds don't bother me in anyaway
 
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Beemerboy said:
My feeling is if there are no suds how can I tell if its working? :D

I would be interested to see what you have and how it works on real dirty cars.

I guess I also don't see why having no suds is needed...the suds don't bother me in any away
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I would agree that NO suds is not needed but I also think that a lot of suds is NOT any better
4-1 is very slick a lot of lubricity and cleans very well but it don't produce suds.
If it cleans and is slick WHY do you demand suds.:notme:
 
we could easily make a sudsless wash but how many people would really want it? Everyone is buying foam guns to produce more foam not less
:passout:
 
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Poorboy said:
we could easily make a suds-less wash but how many people would really want it? Everyone is buying foam guns to produce more foam not less
:passout:
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RIGHT-ON but does the suds make it work any better.
I contend that suds has nothing to do with it.
With the chemical available today you can have a slick cleaning agent without suds.
Only reason for suds is to please Beemerboy :D
 
I am personally looking for a carwash that only produces suds, I want no liquid at all just five gallons of bubbles...
 
I'll many times just use 10oz of Meg's #34 mixed with 1/4oz of Ivory soap in 3.5 gallons of water as my washing agent. It provides just enough lubricity to perform the job with minimal foam. Personally I think the sudsing is strictly a visual thing. I'll also add that it's not soap that mars a finish, it's the washing items (i.e. mitts, towels, brushes, etc.) combined with the dirt; soap only provides the lubricity as well as the anti-coagulant. As for a sudsless car wash soap, it certainly would be benificial in helping keep big brother off our backs -- if the runnoff is clear, then it would be visually (from the distance of a government watchdog) clean water act compliant ;)
 
dr_detail said:
I'll many times just use 10oz of Meg's #34 mixed with 1/4oz of Ivory soap in 3.5 gallons of water as my washing agent.
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Is it that good?
For a professional, that's a pretty expensive bucket of no suds. #34 is somewhere around 15 to 20 cents an ounce.
While the $1.50 to $2.00 cost is not a large amount, it certainly would be a lot more than most car wash products.
I guess it only has to be worth it to you. :)
 
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I'm waiting for Steve to reply.
Can poor boy's make a sud-less soap that will work as well as what you sell now.
I'm betting that you can if you wanted to.:idea
 
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Poorboy said:
we could easily make a sudsless wash but how many people would really want it? Everyone is buying foam guns to produce more foam not less
:passout:
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black bart said:
I'm waiting for Steve to reply.
Can poor boy's make a sud-less soap that will work as well as what you sell now.
I'm betting that you can if you wanted to.:idea
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I think Steve made the point in his statement, "but how many people would really want it?"
The bottom line is the important thing for a company to survive. It has to have some demand to justify even having the labels printed.
 
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black bart said:
I would agree that NO suds is not needed but I also think that a lot of suds is NOT any better
4-1 is very slick a lot of lubricity and cleans very well but it don't produce suds.
If it cleans and is slick WHY do you demand suds.:notme:
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If you feel not having suds is of some benefit wouldn't 4 in 1 be a good wash product to use with a rinse?
The fact that it can be used without a rinse is why I use it, but it seems like it could be used like a regular car wash and be rinsed off.
Somebody where it's warm, try it.
 
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CharlesW said:
If you feel not having suds is of some benefit wouldn't 4 in 1 be a good wash product to use with a rinse?
The fact that it can be used without a rinse is why I use it, but it seems like it could be used like a regular car wash and be rinsed off.
Somebody where it's warm, try it.
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Charles that is exactly what I have been doing since last fall.
My garage is warm 70F and I do a conventional wash with the buckets and hose but I been using 4-1 then rinse and dry. :)
You must have forgot I mentioned this to you before when we were talking about S&W and 4-1
I don't think I will ever wash again using just soap.
I may use some soap but it will have 4-1 added to it
 
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black bart said:
Charles that is exactly what I have been doing since last fall.
My garage is warm 70F and I do a conventional wash with the buckets and hose but I been using 4-1 then rinse and dry. :)
You must have forgot I mentioned this to you before when we were talking about S&W and 4-1
I don't think I will ever wash again using just soap.
I may use some soap but it will have 4-1 added to it
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The post where you mentioned that you added the 4 in 1 as a conditioner with your soap, I remember, but......
Are you or anyone else using it or ONR as the only product mixed in the wash water for a conventional wash?

Also, I don't see what the advantage would be by having a sudless wash.
I can understand some saying that the suds don't add anything to the performance, but are they taking anything away from how the soap works?
:confused:
 
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CharlesW said:
...I don't see what the advantage would be by having a sudless wash.
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dr_detail said:
...it certainly would be benificial in helping keep big brother off our backs -- if the runnoff is clear, then it would be visually (from the distance of a government watchdog) clean water act compliant.
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From a professional level....
Lets say that when "Big Brother" drives by and sees a big patch of foam around the vehicle or run off with a head -- that's a red flag asking for a closer inspection into water reclamation, MSDS, and possible fines. If however the run off is clear, well I hope you can get the picture now.​

P.S. I should get a kickback from any and all procedes generated by soap sales when promoted by the above example!! :notme:
 
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dr_detail said:
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From a professional level....
Lets say that when "Big Brother" drives by and sees a big patch of foam around the vehicle or run off with a head -- that's a red flag asking for a closer inspection into water reclamation, MSDS, and possible fines. If however the run off is clear, well I hope you can get the picture now.​

P.S. I should get a kickback from any and all procedes generated by soap sales when promoted by the above example!! :notme:
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Excellent perspective
 
Suds cover any dirt you may have missed, without any suds you can visiually notice any dirt residue. Also when your limited on the water source (100 gals) it reduces the rinse time. I did a car show a couple of months ago and used ONR as a wash on 40 cars in a light drizzle, worked wonderful.
 
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