Street Dreams Detail - Black Ferrari F430

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rsunnafrank

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Hi guys,



I only ask since I have the Z-range (and everything I need to do the car when it arrives in 3 weeks time) but saw that 2-for-$95 deal, and wondered if its worth getting it.



I know all the Klasse boys (and girls!) use carnauba toppers, but it seems the general consensus is not to bother with Zaino. How come? Will it not help the shine in just the same way as it does for Klasse users?





-andy-
 
good question. I was thinking about getting some Souveran to try on top of the Z. Not that I'm unhappy with the way the Z looks, I'm just curious if it could add just a little bit more WOW factor (that, and I like getting new stuff in the mail to try, it's like Christmas!)
 
Zaino is a system that works all in its own. Most feel that if you layer on some carnauba then you may very well have problems layering some Z-2 or Z-5 over it.
 
You can add Carnuba over Z but it will have to be removed prior to adding more layers of Z for proper bonding.



Play with the Z a while check it out...examine it...when you get bored then try topping with some Souveran! THen post those results!!!
 
Main reason I won't put Souveran on Zaino is because you cannot layer more Z unless you wash it off with Dawn, but Dawn is harsh and I really don't feel like doing dawn wash every couple months. Also, feeding oils over Z defeats the whole purpose of Zaino system anyway. Personally I would just go with Blackfire if you prefer the carnauba look.
 
The stripping of the wax on the Zaino was my other issue...



Is Dawn the only thing that will do this?





In which case, does Dawn not remove the Zaino as well, or is Zaino tough enough to not be affected by it? (in which case, just out of interest - what DO you use to strip Zaino, if you wanted to??)





Thanks



-andy-
 
Sal had said Dawn does not remove Zaino, and I've found it to be true, well at least it does not remove ALL the Zaino if you have significant number of coats on. I've used dawn to remove Souveran topper and it still beads water.



If I want to strip Zaino, I would go the abrasive route. Although I've never done it before, I believe PPCL will do the trick.



By the way, I believe you like Z6 right? I think most people do. If you put carnauba topper over Z, you will not get the maximum result from Z6 anymore. That's another compromise for using carnauba topper.



If you really want to put on "something" over Z badly, why not try Blackfire? I believe JPS said they seem to be compatible.
 
I'm not desperate to use a topper, it was just that with the special 2 for $95 deal going on over on that website (posted in another thread) I wondered if it was worth getting some.



I haven't even had a chance to try Zaino itself on the car yet, as I don't get it until 1st March. I might just get the Souveran anyway, as it seems like a good deal, and I can always give it a go on the parents' car... ;)



-andy-
 
I have 5 coats of Z2 on my red car and now 5 coats of Souveran. I think the polymers in Souveran make it different than some other carnaubas. I was very pleased with the Z2 only and added Souveran out of curiosity. It's totally subjective but I think the Souveran added a deeper shade to the red and maybe some extra jetting/wetness look. The car looked so good with Z alone that it's hard to judge. Anyway, in no way do I think the Souveran detracted from the Z2's appearance. I know I can't go back to Z now that I've put Souveran on top. But, Souveran is really easy to apply and remove. I plan to reapply Souveran every 2-3 weeks. I've used 4 kinds of polymer or carnauba detailer sprays on top of Souveran, including Z6, and find little difference in shine. No problems with haze. The polymers may not bond or add any protection on top of Souveran but if you have them they seem to work fine.
 
Your report is just enough to push me over the edge. By springtime, I'll have a can of Souveran at the ready.
 
Give Sal Z a call or email about adding a wax topper to Zaino. He can explain it better than I, but it's NOT a good idea. I'll be promptly removing the Blitz I recently added over Zaino when the weather cooperates.
 
Thanks Metallic Mike,

I'll probably follow-up on your lead. I did correspond with Carl V., authorized Z distributor, who works with Sal. He states they've tried about every carnauba on top of Z and found it didn't add anything so it's generally discouraged as a waste of time and money. Plus, the fact that polymers won't bond to carnauba and carnauba's degrade quickly-etc, etc. All I know is that subjectively the shine and depth seem equal to or slightly better than Z alone. The surface is smooth as silk. Maybe there is a technical reason for not layering this way. But, rightly or wrongly, it's fun and the results seem excellent.
 
There WILL be a difference to top carnauba over Zaino, but you just can't expect night and day difference. In my own observation, you have to look at certain agle and lighting and it will look a little deepr and wetter. Look at my hood below. One side has Souveran topper the otherside is just Zaino. I can't see any difference, but at different angle I can feel it.

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My guess is that the passenger side of the hood (the side most visible in the picture) is topped with Carnauba. It appears to have a slight yellowish tint. Let me know if I am mistaken.
 
I think the best indicator would be a shot of a car that has had a masking tape on the center of the hood and the wax applied to one side and then a picture taken with the sun either <strong class='bbc'>directly[/b] behind or <strong class='bbc'>directly[/b] in front of the car so that the sun hits dead on. It's hard to tell with the light being different and your eyes can't tell subtle differences between things - you need that hard dividing line.
 
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My guess is that the passenger side of the hood (the side most visible in the picture) is topped with Carnauba. It appears to have a slight yellowish tint. Let me know if I am mistaken.</blockquote>

RIC, amazingly you are exactly right. I don't know how the heck you can see that yellowish tint. Both look the same to me.

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It's hard to tell with the light being different and your eyes can't tell subtle differences between things - you need that hard dividing line.</blockquote>

Mr. Bum, yup that's what I meant by don't expect night and day difference. hmmm hard dividing line.... Sounds like Carguy's zone.
 
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