Souveran vs. Zymol Concours?

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I'm curious, from those of you that have actually tried both, which is your favourite and why? Yeah, I know that Concours is something like twice the price of Souveran. But, if you can ignore that :chuckle: , what qualities do you like or dislike of each?
 
I've owned both Souveran and Concours and I can say I definitely like Concours better. The Zymol is a bit harder to work with, but IMO leaves a wetter, deeper shine with sharper, clearer reflections. Plus, the Zymol leaves the surface much smoother (of course after a proper polishing is done). The cost is certainly more, but IMO Concours is a better product.
 
Concours. The optical range with concours was significantly better than Souveran IMO. Zymol Concours (as well as the majority of the Estate Glaze line of Zymol) is also extremely talented in promoting vibrant color and has a very wide range in terms of color intensity as well as depth of reflection.



In terms of the cost, well......Souveran has an advantage there. But on just results alone, and without the aid of other lsp's or sealants, the Zymol dominated in its finish results as I observed. Souveran has a heavier texture to it, and its reflective range is fair (a little better perhaps than Natty's, and about the same as I've observed with P21s). The Zymol's range extends much farther with objects that are distant, whereas Souveran's results were somewhat gritty, as I saw it, for distant objects. Zymol Concours, if handled right, can produce IMO vividly sharp reflections, in conjunction with the other attributes as I've described above.



You must do your own observation, however, to actually see and experience the results. Heresay can mislead you into having a good or not so good opinion about a product without actually seeing the results for yourself. Many times I've written off products (or believed raves of certain products) only to have been proven wrong later during an actual use session.



Compare (if you dare!) and see for yourself.



Accumulator!!!!!! (j/k...I have to have fun, so you'd better try it soon to get me off of your back ...stomach aching lol!!!!!)
 
I like PS. Deep rich shine. Conc. more shininy but clear. This is for "My Car" others will be different.
 
dogma said:
Souvran (sic) or Surluster before Zymol
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Hey dogma, that doesn't tell anyone much! How come you like those better??



Thanks to you other guys. Ibis1, I've actually used Concours, but that was a small sample and a very long time ago, BA (Before Autopia ;) ). And I liked it but, like I said.......
 
lbls1 said:
Accumulator!!!!!! (j/k...I have to have fun, so you'd better try it soon to get me off of your back ...stomach aching lol!!!!!)
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Heh heh, I shouldn't even *look* at these threads, I must be a glutton for punishment :D
 
Nah take it easy Accumulator man. You are among the friendliest people that post on the board, so I know I can get away with a little teasing here and there without getting into an incident. He was teasing me about trying Zymol a couple of months and several hundred posts ago(actually you were genuine in your interest), but there were other things to consider before taking the plunge. Its just my way of "reminding" him....lol!!!!!



But back to the topic. Concours is not the easiest wax to work with, so in terms of convenience perhaps it might give up a notch or two to Pinnacle.



Although finish appearance is a major factor in the defining aspect of an lsp, you should also take into consideration other qualities different lsp's may have, regardless of price. I enjoy using different lsps (on different cars) to compare results, and also for distinguishing aspects that make other topping products special. Convenience, ease of use, and price are also major factors to consider.
 
I have been using PS for 4 years on my (1) black and (2) silver metallic volvos until recently when I sampled Zymol. IMHO concours gives a better deeper shine on black and the metallics really popped compared to ps on silver. Therefor I recently ordered concours, after saving for a bit :o . Note like Mikeyc says its harder to work with but worth it on a nicely preped surface.
 
Alright, I gotta ask. I know this isn't what these kind of waxes are made for in particular, but what kind of durability are folks getting out of the Concours wax?
 
I was getting great durability out of Concours. Of course, the car I used it on stayed covered, and indoors. There have been reports that the EGZymol doesn't last long, but in using this product for several years I'd have to disagree. My wax finishes stay on a car from Spring to Spring. Each year in redo-ing my Zymol finish, I find myself feeling guilty for taking down "such a magnificent build up"....sometimes to the point of self debate. Knowingly, however, I know that the best thing is not to leave any wax on the car for more than a year, because you want the best look............and there's (biased op) just nothing quite like the sight of a fresh EGZymol over a painfully prepped paint surface.



As good as it is, I just couldn't bring myself to use it on my daily driver, and that's because that car has to take all of the elements, dirt, dings, rock chips, etc. without the benefit of a garage. This means that it has to get washed and waxed frequently. Using Zymol on that car would be a nightmare............this is the area admittingly where other waxes excel.



But to answer the question, IMO an EGZymol demonstrated acceptable durability with my usage.
 
I think Souveran looks a bit deeper than Concours, but the reflections on the Concours are a little nicer.. I'd take the Pinnacle between the two.. That said, I got to play with two of the higher end EG waxes (Atlantique and Destiny) and they had the most incredible look of any LSP i've ever used. I preferred the Atlantique between the two.
 
firegate said:
I think Souveran looks a bit deeper than Concours, but the reflections on the Concours are a little nicer.. .
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I found that interesting. On the Jag, I'm after depth more than sharp reflections- e.g., I abolutely *hated* how it looked with P21S instead of Souveran and that was a pretty subtle difference. Not sure which way I'd rather bias the look on the the RX-7 (not sure I'd notice a difference anyhow as I've never even seen that how that paint looks properly detailed).



Of the various Zynol EGs, which would you folks say is the best at depth? I know all the talk about depth/jetting/reflection is pretty, uhm...well pretty much eye-of-the-beholder stuff, but I'm still curious.
 
Hmmmm now we're playing with fire. Accumulator, you'd think that this would be an easy question. Concours, despite being relatively cheaper than the higher echelon of EGZymols, is very competitive in terms of depth. It can develop (like I said earlier) an extremely sharp and deep reflection that will rival the likes of Destiny, Atlantique and Vintaaaaaage (Vintage), with the right handling.



But since you've asked, I'd say that the deepest reflection would be a run-off between Atlantique, Vintaaaaaaaghe, and of course Royale, with Destiny hanging right in there. Aside from depth, the widest color range I'd have to give to Vintage and Royale. Vintage just takes the range equation to another level..........its result is quite a sight to behold.



There are a lot of doubters out there, and to some extent I can't blame them in some respects. How can anyone (except a diehard waxaholic) even consider the ridiculous rates that Zymol asks, yet really believe that their waxes would literally dominate the field in terms of finish performance alone? Yet the animation, color response, and eventual depth of shine I experienced from Vintaaaaaaghe was like none that I've yet to see in any wax or lsp.



The only thing that I can say (that I usually say) is to go beyond the doubting, and take one of the waxes to the test, and see whether it actually performs or not.
 
lbls1 said:
The only thing that I can say (that I usually say) is to go beyond the doubting, and take one of the waxes to the test, and see whether it actually performs or not.
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Hey, I don't know about Accumulator but I'd love to. Got some free samples??? :p
 
lbls1- Thanks for (again) taking the time to explain all that and to give me the benefit of your experience with these products. When the two candidates are ready for waxing I'll be keeping all this in mind.



Sigh..it's all so hard to quantify these things like depth/etc. and then there's the whole I-know-how-I-want-it-to-look factor too. Heh heh, note that the Jag's paint has all sorts of variation/blotchiness anyhow due to the nature of old single stage metallic lacquer (hey, to me it's a *feature* not a defect :o ) so only *I* would ever think to stress about subtle LSP effects on *that* car!
 
hjuan said:
Is says to apply by the palm of your hand. Do you actually do this or use an applicator?
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I know I actually do this. It's important to wash your hands first though to make sure you don't have any residues or dirt on your hands.



Personally, I like applying the wax this way because it gives me another opportunity to feel the paint. The other day I was applying wax and I could feel there were some contaminants on the paint. So, I quickly stopped and clayed the area before starting to wax again.
 
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