Souveran Paste Wax over #16?

wytstang

wytstang

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Will #16 inhabit souveran from it's full potential? My wifes dark blue metallic pearl paint is wearing #16x2 for winter and a couple of months ago I scored some souveran off of ebay (3/4 full and a 1/2 full paste glaz for $35 shipped ;) ) to try. Well today is very over cast (read:crappy) no sun just dark clouds, I split the trunk and a rear quater panel and could barley noticed a change at all (both me and my wife were looking at all angles). I figured since #16 is opticaly clear it wouldn't affect souveran. Was I wrong? Would it work better if I striped #16 off then applied souveran?
 
Honestly, its because the difference between thte two products isn't as noticable as some would have you believe. Strip the trunk and do half with Souveran and half with #16. Then look and you will be shocked at how little the Souveran looks better then #16. Infact, you will be shocked at how different side by sides look from most products (from any different company)providing the the paint is prepped properly.
 
I'm lucky, I prefer the look of #16 to any other paste wax I've tried. The fact that it is freely & cheaply available in the UK & lasts months is a great bonus.
 
I have plenty of #16 I was hoping for more of a dramitic wet look but I think #16 is some what inhabiting this from happening. I'll just strip the hood and do a side by side and see what happends.
 
let us know the results, like I said the differnce MAY be slight, but its not going to be dramatic...
 
I would agree that on a thoroughly prepared paint finish, the difference betwen various LSPs is generally only slight - the last 5% of a detail maybe. However the differences are there to be seen, and in this case it really is IMHO down to hte eye of the beholder which is best as different people like differenrt things in a finish.



What the Souveran has that the #16 doesn't is additional oils in it to wet the shine, and I feel that this gives a wetter and slighter deeper look than the #16, most noticeable as you would expect on dark colours. I think, though I am not certain, that these oils are also what may contribute to the lower durability of the Souveran wax as we know that applying and LSP over the oily surfaces left by a glaze adversely effects the durability of the products to a degree. Still, Souveran is marketed as a show was, and in that respect it does very well.
 
wytstang said:
I have plenty of #16 I was hoping for more of a dramitic wet look but I think #16 is some what inhabiting this from happening. I'll just strip the hood and do a side by side and see what happends.
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Try the Souveran under the #16...... you did not hear this from me. I prefer it to just Souveran alone, do a spit shine second coat with the #16 . it rocks, especially on my black Jimmy :hifive:
 
flatstick said:
Try the Souveran under the #16...... you did not hear this from me. I prefer it to just Souveran alone, do a spit shine second coat with the #16 . it rocks, especially on my black Jimmy :hifive:
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by spit shine you mean apply the wax let haze then spray a QD to the surface then buff the wax off?
 
DieselMDX said:
by spit shine you mean apply the wax let haze then spray a QD to the surface then buff the wax off?
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Not quite.. You apply a layer of wax, then mist a QD lightly (don't wipe off) and apply a 2nd layer over the QD. I've never actually tried spit shining one wax over another though. I'll have to give it a shot when I get a chance. There's a pretty comprehensive thread on the technique in the HOF.
 
FWIW I've had surprisingly good results spitshining Souveran over both #16 and, more notably, 476S. It *really* improved the look of the Collinite (I was prepared to quit after a panel if it didn't), made a less noticable improvement on the #16. FWIW#2 I used Griot's SpeedShine as the "spit" and did a proper spit-shining, not letting it haze but rather working it until it was basically gone (repeatedly).



Might've just been more oils on the surface, but man did it look nice; this was on the old Volvo wagon I used to have, never thought it'd look that nice...did it right before giving it to my in-law :o Yeah, she was wowed by how it looked.
 
Accumulator said:
FWIW I've had surprisingly good results spitshining Souveran over both #16 and, more notably, 476S. It *really* improved the look of the Collinite (I was prepared to quit after a panel if it didn't), made a less noticable improvement on the #16. FWIW#2 I used Griot's SpeedShine as the "spit" and did a proper spit-shining, not letting it haze but rather working it until it was basically gone (repeatedly).



Might've just been more oils on the surface, but man did it look nice; this was on the old Volvo wagon I used to have, never thought it'd look that nice...did it right before giving it to my in-law :o Yeah, she was wowed by how it looked.
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Have to admit I did not think spitshining would make a noticeable difference is appearance but it did for * me*. if people are interested they should try a panel and see what they think.
 
TH0001 said:
let us know the results, like I said the differnce MAY be slight, but its not going to be dramatic...
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I was hoping to do it this weekend but my father-in flew in from Italy and will be here Thursday until Sun. SO it may be the weekend after that depending on how the weather is but I really want to do this test as I still have high expectations(sp?) for Souveran.
 
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