Sometimes I wonder...

JaredPointer

COME AT ME BRO
Let me get the disclaimer out of the way first. I am not a scientist. I am not a chemist. I am not a professional detailer. This is not in relation to any one particular forum, poster, product or thread. I am a hobby/enthusiast who does a fair share of cars for "clients."

I have been "detailing" since I was a younger lad, and have used a whole gob of products in my time. I have also been reading the detailing forums for a few years, even back before I became a registered user and was an active poster.

Lately, I have been reading some posts that make me think if a lot of what people say on these boards is a total blow of rather warm air. Most pointedly, I have read some discussions (mainly at other sites, not really here at DC) about durability that have me scratching my head. There's a few posters out there who say things like "I know I am getting 4.75 months of durability out of product P." This brings me to my point - just exactly how does one know what kind of durability they are getting, other than a guesstimate of a ballpark figure. I know the "tell tale" signs - beading, slickness, easy washes, etc. It just seems for someone to make that bold an assumption, they must have sat down with a molecular chemist who examined the paint and sealant/wax level with some type of scientific equipment. It just has me wondering....

Now, at one time I was a lot more active in posting and reading the goings on of the detailing world. While I have slacked up on that some, I still try and keep abreast of what's new. Also, at one time I was "very excitable" about products and brands to the point that I think I may have been biased towards one over the other. I guess I just wonder what makes someone believe they are qualified to toss out some set-in-stone statement about things that really only have an inkling about. I guess it's not as prevalent here at this board (maybe due to the lull in activity as compared to times past), but at a lot of others it really is blatant that some posters would say (strongly, I might add) good things and bad things about the same product poured into two different bottles depending on what kind of label is on the bottle.

I dunno, I guess the threads and polls started by Troy really got me thinking this afternoon. I do believe that some products are more "long lasting" than others, but some of the claims I see people make are just plain old BS, product-hyping propaganda. In any case, it shouldn't make detailing any less enjoyable than it already is, it's just laughable at times to see the same people who started a few years ago as a hobbyist making stone-cold claims about products that are in reality their opinion. I'm sure I felt that way at times, but at some point I guess I outgrew that stage and realized that a lot of the stuff posted and talked about is marketing hype, because I can't really see myself feeling that strongly about a product these days. Is it just me?

Sorry to ramble, just thought I'd toss this out there and see if anyone else felt the same way as I do.

JP <---- :crazy:


P.S. I noticed that the chat room is available these days. It would be nice if we could all have signatures again - or at least the signatures that we have show up. Just a thought.
 
I really don't pay attention to durability claims because I don't really care.
I put on several coats of sealant for the winter and massive amounts of wax in the summer.
I do know what you are saying though.
 
I really don't pay attention to durability claims because I don't really care.
I put on several coats of sealant for the winter and massive amounts of wax in the summer.
I do know what you are saying though.


I thought you were staying out of it :hmmm: :passout:


Jared you make good points and some people can get over passionate trying to make their point. All the wax tests and officianatos that seem to know more and better than all the rest are in reality just blowing smoke as there are sooooooo many variables that can effect and affect durability.
I haven't answered Troy's poll yet, but I like easy to use and good looking products, if they last a long time then all the better ;)
 
P.S. I noticed that the chat room is available these days. It would be nice if we could all have signatures again - or at least the signatures that we have show up. Just a thought.

The chat room has been available for quite a while now and it doesn't get used much. Not sure what you mean about the signatures. I believe everyone has the ability to have a signature. You have one.:hmmm:
 
"I like easy to use and good looking products, if they last a long time then all the better". Poorboy.:bigups
Same here!:passout:
 
I want the looks. Most waxes and sealants dont last. What I mean is the looks dont last. They may be slick, and bead water for a long time , but the depth and high gloss in not there. I myself use a lot of qd/spray waxes. That way I can keep that wet look.
 
The chat room has been available for quite a while now and it doesn't get used much. Not sure what you mean about the signatures. I believe everyone has the ability to have a signature. You have one.:hmmm:

Speaking of the signatures - at some time in the past, it was a perk to "members only" - those who paid a $5 subscription fee or something like that. I remember the ability to have signatures and the signatures show up was part of the deal. I figured since the chatroom was available to everyone again, that signatures might be as well. FWIW, I can't see mine in posting, just in the user CP. It's really not a big deal, just something I thought I would toss out there...
 
A line or two you can put in about yourself. It shows at the bottom of your posts... Yours would say something to the effect of "I'm staying out of it" or something. :D

do you mean like "Professional wrestling is real. It's all those other sports that are rigged.":notme:
 
I really don't pay attention to durability claims because I don't really care.
I put on several coats of sealant for the winter and massive amounts of wax in the summer.
I do know what you are saying though.
Didn't you once apply 10, 20, 30 coats of a sealant in preparation for winter?
Do you still do that?
Was it worth the effort?
Would it be worth a new thread about the number of coats that people think have benefit?

Charles
 
Yes I did Charles. One year I put about (guessing here) 33 coats of UPP on my car and about 25 UPP on my wife's.There was a thread on this.The following year I put on about 20 or so coats of EX-P on mine and my wife's.
Yes I think it was worth it as both years the winter dirt ,grime and salt came off with just a good steady stream of water/house pressure.Not once did I have to scrub any section to remove the dirt.After soaping,rinsing and drying the cars they looked immaculate.
I'm hoping to start my Winterization Protection Plan next weekend. I'll see how 10 coats hold this winter.
If I have time and the weather allows I'll add more as I go along.:passout:
 
Yes I did Charles. One year I put about (guessing here) 33 coats of UPP on my car and about 25 UPP on my wife's.There was a thread on this.The following year I put on about 20 or so coats of EX-P on mine and my wife's.
Yes I think it was worth it as both years the winter dirt ,grime and salt came off with just a good steady stream of water/house pressure.Not once did I have to scrub any section to remove the dirt.After soaping,rinsing and drying the cars they looked immaculate.
I'm hoping to start my Winterization Protection Plan next weekend. I'll see how 10 coats hold this winter.
If I have time and the weather allows I'll add more as I go along.:passout:


What are you doing to clean the surface between coats, other than washing?
 
That was it. Washing it with Ultimate's Carwash Shampoo. I'd do a car a day if time allowed.:passout:
 
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