slickness never lasts for me...normal or am i doing something wrong

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imported_steveo3002

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is it normal that after the first wash slickness drops away by a fair amount?



over the years ive used most of the products mentioned on here and at first im like wow this is slicker than a slick thing, but after the first wash its lost most of its slipperyness



i just got some zaino zaio and z2...applied it properly after 12hrs the car was incredibly slick , just the way i like it :cooleek:



now after a week i washed it (megs gold class) and its lost a great deal of that slickness



so are you all seeing the same? im thinking all i can blame is the hard water in my area
 
I can think of 2 things...first off..you may be mixing a strong soap mix...if it calls for 1oz for 2 gallons thats what you use....car shampoo is a cleaner..the stronger you make it the more it can effect a finish...



2. gold class is not my favorite shampoo..it has a conditioning oil in it and when I used it a few days later it made my paint feel grabby..





try a different shampoo...try Duragloss 901..Griot's...1Z ....Optimum..they all are pretty gentle and rinse clean....



AL
 
I find the same thing also Seve. I would rate a reduction at around 20%. And I think all thats really happening is the floating oils are being removed. You still have protection, but like you said, its just not as slick as it was before I washed it.

And thats why I find its important to use a Spray Sealant once a month. QD's are one thing for light cleaning and little protection, but a true-manufactured ''sealant" like FS UPPS is what I prefer. It really gives back what a wash takes away.
 
im not mixing the shampoo too strong , agreed on the gold class but i plan to use it up before buying some dg



would shampoo dwel time effect things? as in say if i soap up the whole car and then rinse v.s one /two panels then rinse



its a shame i cant hold onto the full slickness...as i feel i could do a mittless wash with the zaino on there and my pressure washer
 
Dwell time makes a difference ..to me any ways....the longer you leave it the more it reacts to the surface....just like APC..you let it dwell longer to cut the grime better....I soap a panel and then rinse...the longer the dwell time the more reaction to the finish...



I could be wrong..but thats my thoughts on letting a soap dwell on a finish...



AL
 
I actually don't understand the obsession with slickness by many here at Autopia.



If the product that I use looks good, protects, and repels dirt/dust - I don't really care whether if feels super slick to the touch or not.



I primarily use Werkstatt AJT on my car and as many have noted it doesn't provide the greatest slickness in the world - even immediately after applying. However, it looks great for a long time, protects and seems to do a good job of resisting dirt/grime - so I don't really care about the relative lack of slickness.



I guess if you have a fetish for the tactile sensation of running your hand along a slick finish - then slickness is a factor. Otherwise, I don't understand the obsession with slickness.
 
for me the slickness should help the dirt wash /fall off easily....so less washing/scrubbing = less marring



for winter i would love to able to power wash the car and get it 90+% clean
 
steveo3002 said:
for me the slickness should help the dirt wash /fall off easily....so less washing/scrubbing = less marring



for winter i would love to able to power wash the car and get it 90+% clean
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Yes except in my experience there are many products that provide a super slick finish (most carnuabas) that don't do a particularly good of a job of preventing dirt from getting embedded so that cleaning can be accomplished more easily/with less scrubbing.



Conversely, there are some sealants (like AJT) that are not very slick at all but do an excellent job of repelling dirt/dust/grime so that it washes/falls off easily as you describe.



Based on the evidence, there simply doesn't seem to be any sort of strong correlation between slickness and the ability to provide for easy rinsing/cleaning of dirt: many slick products are poor in this area while many less slick products excel.
 
Washing, technique, products used & weather are all factors. Did you also factor in that this is the internet and people claim things last 5-6 months or more when in reality it just doesn't happen. Slickness is usually the first thing to go.
 
Whilst I have used a ton of products, the slickest are 4* UPP and Zaino (2, 5, 8). I have found that using the Zaino wash or duragloss wash for the most part retains the slickness.



But, if you want something is is sliiick, even after a wash with dawn, Ultima. At first I didn't want to believe the ambitious Ultima claims, I purchased it, now a week + after application and 1 wash (dawn), its as slick as the first day. Yes, thats right, I washed my entire car with dawn, definitely did not remove Ultima.
 
To each their own. I love having a slick service as well. It just makes the car feel good. I haven't ran into any issues personally myself and I want to say I've had my car detailed for about a month now and Utlima is holding up great. I'm really thinking it's the concentration and how long you've let the soap dwell on the paint, but I myself have'nt used Zaino in about 7 years so there's not much I can say to it.
 
I'm another slickness fan, and the products that give me that characteristic also seem to *not* retain dirt. Could be that there are other products that behave the way Milestones described, but that hasn't been my experience.



My UPP doesn't stay slick very long but the Collinite waxes and #16 sure do!
 
steveo3002 said:
now after a week i washed it (megs gold class) and its lost a great deal of that slickness



so are you all seeing the same? im thinking all i can blame is the hard water in my area
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That's the problem. I've used Gold Class previously for a few years, and thought it was really good until I came across this site and saw that better washes exist. I recently starting using the Zaino Z-7 car wash, and it is the best wash I've ever used. I'll never use Gold Class again. My paint feels slicker for a lot longer when washing with it, not to mention the slickness and lubricity of the Z7 puts Gold Class to shame big time. Try a different wash, like others have mentioned.
 
I know I'm not suppose to do this....but I wash my Z-2 on my car with water only. The thing about shampoo tht I've notice especially those that has sheeting effect. It kinda changes the Z-2 water beading qualities that bothers me. And I think those shampoos do lay something behind as the Z-2 doesn't bead as goood after tht. I guess I need to get Z-7. So whenever I have Z-2 on my car, I use water to wash only.



If any other sealant or wax then I'll use the GC car shampoo.
 
What I was suggesting was that it appears that there is not necessarily a strong causal link between slickness and resistance to accumulation of dirt/grit (ease of cleaning).



Some products that are super slick have great resistance to grime/dust, while others don't. Similarly, some products that are not super slick have a great resistance to grime/dust, while others don't.



If you like slickness for slickness sake - fine and well. But don't think that just because a product is super slick it necessarily has great resistance to grime/dust such that cleaning will easier with less scrubbing. Perhaps it will or perhaps it won't - depending on the product being used.
 
I find the Zaino wash helps retain the Zaino slickness (unless it's my imagination). I would agree with Al that theoretically, longer dwell times would increase the degradation of the LSP (generally speaking, not referring to specific washes/combos), and I think about it sometimes while washing, but I don't have any experience or evidence that backs that up (meaning that I haven't done any experiments or paid enough attention to verify the postulate).
 
I'm with Accumulator on the Collinite. I don't care that much about slickness, but I love the feel and I think it does help aid in cleaning ability. I've used Nattys Blue and some Aquawax this summer, and the slickness doesn't last long. But I remember when I used Collinite 845 last fall and through the winter, it stayed slick for quite a while. I remember that was my first impression using it was how much slicker it was, and stayed, compared to the crappy old Gold Class I had been using before I found Autopia.
 
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