Silicone bad for short period??

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Deep_Freeze

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OK, I know silicone is the devil. But I have a black car, and I like for my tires to be shiny to go with my black shiny car. Since I will have 19s soon, my tires are high performance tires that only last for around 20,000 miles or a little more. This means that the tires will probably last me for around a year.



Now I know these kind of tire dressings can turn tires brown, make them crack and such over time, but who cares if the tires are in the tire monofill at that time.



All I know is that I want shiny tires with my black car. The tires will be real low profile and expensive, so I don't want to destroy them, lol. Right now, I am using Megs, and like it, but I might go for some of the real shiny stuff if I get up the confidence to do it. What ya think???
 
It sounds like you want the best of both worlds: shiniest tire possible but no damaging side effects from the tire product. I think this is pretty hard to do but here's my stab at it:



Perhaps just try layering a product like Vinylex that tends to be the shiniest of the "safe" tire dressings.



Spray on the Vinylex, don't wipe it on, let it sit and spray some more on, repeat until you get the tires the shiniest you can get them.



This is the only method I can think of of achieving the look of a very shiny tire while using a more safe product.Why not try this and compare it to the look you will get with a known very glossy silicone filled product?



Also, another trade off might be you'll have a real shiny tire but it attracts a lot of dust.



Hard to get every desired feature without some side effect.



Hope this helps
 
All tire dressings contain "silicones" of one kind or another. The stuff people tell you to stay away from are the super-high shine products that are usually clear and contain petroleum distillates. I don't know about your question for sure, but I think the No Touch product in the purple can is supposed to be ultra-shiny but it advertises no PDs. This might be the way to go. :up http://www.notouch.com/newsite/tire-care-products.html
 
Hmmm, I will have to try the No Touch and Vinylex. I never thought Vinylex was shiny, will have to take a closer look at it.
 
try eagle one wet tire gel it works great makes a nice shine. I have never gotten cracking on tires and I used Turtle wax and armorall for 5 yr's on tires before I knew about autopia. The EO will serve your needs check it out www.eagleone.com
 
Deep_Freeze said:
Hmmm, I will have to try the No Touch and Vinylex. I never thought Vinylex was shiny, will have to take a closer look at it.
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Vinylex does have a pretty good shine if you can find a sprayer that puts out a fine mist . . . spray the tire down lightly, and allow to dry completely without buffing for the most gloss. As Bill D said, multiple, light coats seem to give the greatest gloss.



Tort
 
From what you said about Vinylex, couldn't you just layer any tire shine and get similar results or is there something special about Vinylex??? I am going to try layering, which I really haven't done a lot of. I just don't like to waste product, but a couple of layers might be worth a try.



I have tried Eagle One Tire Gel, it was just too messy and it really didn't make my tires all that shiny to make up for the mess. Good product, but it did sling quite a bit also.
 
Deep_Freeze,



While the technique may work well with other tire dressings, too, I've only tried it with Vinylex. Vinylex seems to work well for this because it's thin enough to be sprayed in a fine mist, and because there's no buffing involved. Gels and creams obviously won't work that way, but other thin/water-based dressings might.



YMMV,

Tort
 
Tire shine sprays damage the tires? I didn't know that. I just bought some spray for the first time a few weeks ago , and used it once. It made my tires look nice, but I didn't know it can damage them?
 
Not familar with Mothers Preserves, have to keep an eye out for that.



Any spray on tire shine could be layered, guess I will have to try it out.
 
matthew said:
Tire shine sprays damage the tires? I didn't know that. I just bought some spray for the first time a few weeks ago , and used it once. It made my tires look nice, but I didn't know it can damage them?
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It depends. What are you using?
 
Deep Freeze,



Out of curiosity which Megs tire gel are you using? I believe they have a high gloss and a medium gloss finish available.



As 4DSC mentioned some tire sprays do have the wrong type of silicones and possibly PD's which can harm your tires. Cracking can and will occur if you own the tires long enough and abuse them with the wrong chemicals (don't ask me how I know:( )



I really wish I could think of other products but I personally prefer the satin finish so we're on opposite ends of the product spectrum.:nixweiss
 
MBZ, I haven't mentioned the Megs tire gel in this trend, I was referring to EO tire gel earlier. BUT, I have used the Megs high gloss before, heh, guess I am a junkie. :D



Megs was nice in how long it lasted, but in application, it just wasn't shiny enough for me. Not to mention that I must have gotten a bad bottle, cause no matter how tight I screwed the top on, the bottle still leaked. But if matte is what you like, Megs Endurance is the best I have ran across.



Thinking more about it, I am going to experiment with application and such of the good tire shines, before thinking about the silicone stuff (cause I really don't want to even have a chance of messing up some $1000 tires).
 
4DSC said:
All tire dressings contain "silicones" of one kind or another. The stuff people tell you to stay away from are the super-high shine products that are usually clear and contain petroleum distillates.
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Thats a pretty bold claim. Do you have any evidence to back it up?



I personally use Groits Garage Rubber and Tire Dressing, which is blatantly claimed as NOT containing any silicones. It does not provide super/wet shine, but leaves a nice semi-gloss black finish, which I like.



I know car care product manufacturers make bogus and misleading claims all the time, but I would just like to evidence to back up your claim that all tire dressings contain silicone.
 
Do they by any chance claim their product doesn't contain silicone oils? Griot's claim simply means that their dressings contain water-based silicones and not solvent-based silicones. From what I've heard, it's an excellent product.
 
Griot's description: "It contains NO silicone oils, petroleum distillates, waxes, or other dangerous solvents that can harm and dull the surface of rubber and vinyl over time."



So, it's most likely a water-borne polydimethyl siloxane (PDMS) dressing, just like Vinylex, 303, or even the new formulation of Armor All. As I understand it, siloxanes are silicones (someone with more chem than me chime in, please). PDMS, however, is not an oil, so the claim of "no silicone oils", while sort of skirting the truth, is not false.



Tort
 
I think the High Gloss Meguiar's Endurance gel would be very shiny if applied in 2 coats. Even the regular Endurance is very shiny if 2 coats are applied.



A setup time is required though. The gel thickens after about 5 minutes. So, apply a thin coat, let it set up for 5 minutes, and then apply a second coat, and you should have very shiny tires.
 
TortoiseAWD said:
Griot's description: "It contains NO silicone oils, petroleum distillates, waxes, or other dangerous solvents that can harm and dull the surface of rubber and vinyl over time."



So, it's most likely a water-borne polydimethyl siloxane (PDMS) dressing, just like Vinylex, 303, or even the new formulation of Armor All. As I understand it, siloxanes are silicones (someone with more chem than me chime in, please). PDMS, however, is not an oil, so the claim of "no silicone oils", while sort of skirting the truth, is not false.



Tort
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Thanks Tort (and Intermezzo), I'm not a chemist, but this is what I understand as well. :up In that sense, and I have said this before, it is almost impossible to get away from "silicone" in detailing products in general (waxes, QD, dressings, etc etc) - they all contain some version of stuff that can be broadly called "silicones". I know it's confusing and imprecise, but that's just what happens.... :nixweiss
 
Good discussion. Thanks for the reply. So we got a chemist amongst us. What is it that actually cause rubbers and polymers to dry out then. What is it exactly makes one dressing good and the other bad for rubber trim or interior vinyl?
 
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