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danponjican

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I'm fairly new to this level of detailing / paint correction so I figured I would share some of my lessons I learned along the way.



So last night I was finally motivated to finally test out some of my new stuff. I wanted to try to rotary again. Last time I was all over the place with it! I had a really hard time controlling it and was just a frustrating experience overall. So I came across these videos last night on the MOL forums:



Meguiar's Online - How to Introduction to Wetsanding and Rotary Buffing. (Video)



So after watching all 5 of these videos I was motivated and feeling confident on what I needed to do to get that rotary to work for me. I went all out! Here was my process. I only did the hood for time’s sake and really because that is the worst part of my car and need the most correction.



-Cleaned the surface with Meguiar’s Final Inspection QD (Car wasn’t that dirty. I washed it yesterday)

-Clayed in spots that needed it with Mother’s Clay Kit

-OC with wool pad on rotary at about 1800 rpm (lubed with QD every pass)

-SSR1 with white pad on rotary at about 1300 rpm (lubed with QD every pass)

-DG TPP #105 applied with a blue pad with the Ryobi DA (let cure for about 45 minutes and buffed with microfiber bonnet on the same blue pad)

-DG FCS #921 this morning to clean off some sap that the trees decided to deposit on the surface

-DG AW #951 after the #921





Here are my conclusions:



1) I’ll never use anything but a rotary for correction.

2) I like Poorboy’s products better for foam pads on a rotary and Optimum products for wool pads on rotary.

3) DG products ROCK!

4) I love the Ryobi DA for LSP application.



(Sorry for the crappy pictures… they are with our engineering community camera here at work.)



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I now LOVE the rotary! Once you get the hang of it it’s so powerful and quick. The key that really helped me is the little side conversation in I think part 4 of those videos where he is talking to the guy about floor polishers and how you tilt them to steer them. That REALLY helped me. With that technique I wasn’t fighting the machine because it wanted to drive off its own merry little way. I was now using the power of the rotation to steer it. VERY helpful!



Previously, after my compounding steps I always look at the surface and was ike, “Shoot! This looks ready for LSP!� Well that tells me that I wasn’t correcting enough. I mean when I think of it, if I am stripping a layer of CC off to correct blemishes then I wouldn’t think the surface should be looking perfectly shiny. Well with the wool pad and OC it didn’t! It was this dull but yet very smooth surface. You can see that the minor blemishes were cut away but it left this hazy finish. That’s were the SSR1 and the white pad kicked it! Man that stuff made it POP! I loved that stage more than anything! So fulfilling and satisfying.



I want to pick up a bottle of SSR2.5 for lighter correction with a foam yellow or orange pad on the rotary. It would be less aggressive but still more aggressive than OC with a DA. I tried my new yellow pad last night with the rotary and OC and was getting decent results and might have finished the whole project with it but I dropped it on my muddy driveway. So I switched to the wool pad. Now I’m glad I did because of how effective the wool pad was for me! I wasn’t crazy about the OC on the foam pads though. I figured out the reason too… the OC is much thinner, more liquefied than the SSR polishes. So, on a foam pad it tends to get absorbed into the foam much quicker. Then you have to worry about the pressure you are applying too much because with all that product soaked into the foam. If you lay into it, you’ve basically applied fresh product again to the working surface. With the OC and the wool pad it wasn’t like that… it just broke down so fast you didn’t even have to worry about it. But I had to be really careful with that combo… it generates heat quick!



The SSR1 on the other hand is really thick. So I liked it on that white foam pad. Just a little bit and it worked very nicely and broke down perfectly. You can tell when the abrasives were gone and you were only working with the oils. Very nice!
 
Awesome results, man!

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Too bad you don't have any good before shots. I thought there was no hope for the water etching but to wetsand the whole thing. I am a believer now! I need me one of those Chicago Rotarys!
 
I LOVE wool+optimum on my rotary, i wont use foam cutting pads anymore.



Who's wool did you use? I use edge/presta
 
Coupe said:
I LOVE wool+optimum on my rotary, i wont use foam cutting pads anymore.



Who's wool did you use? I use edge/presta



It's actually a wool pad from O'Reilly's Auto Parts store. Very nice wool pad!
 
No brand on it?



Im still scared to use OC or OHC with any of my wool yet, OP and my yellow medium cut edge wool is pretty aggressive as is.
 
Coupe said:
No brand on it?



Im still scared to use OC or OHC with any of my wool yet, OP and my yellow medium cut edge wool is pretty aggressive as is.



Not that I remember... I'll check tonight. I think it just said O'Rielys in it though.



Yeah to be honest I think with a wool pad, the wool is the major cutting force. I'm sure that OC does make it cut more than it would with OP, but honestly I don't think it would be a HUGE difference. I wouldn't mind trying that side by side though to see.
 
I agree the wool does the work and the polish just gives it the lube so it can glide.



I too had trouble controling the rotary, i was not a happy camper the first 4 hours of using it.
 
Coupe said:
I LOVE wool+optimum on my rotary, i wont use foam cutting pads anymore.



Same here, Coupe. I have the entire wool edge 2000 line, and I love it. I start with wool and end with wool now.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Same here, Coupe. I have the entire wool edge 2000 line, and I love it. I start with wool and end with wool now.





I only use the yellow and green. I dont see any reason why i cant get a perfect finish with the full edge wool line at this point. Im gonna order the blue and finishing wool soon and am going to attempt it.



Sorry for hi-jacking, anytime someone mentions wool i get excited :lol
 
No it's cool... actually I'm interested in getting some more wool pads myself. Where is the best place to get edge wool pads? Everywhere I looked only had the foam ones.
 
danponjican said:
No it's cool... actually I'm interested in getting some more wool pads myself. Where is the best place to get edge wool pads? Everywhere I looked only had the foam ones.





You can call autogeek and they will drop ship them to you.



You can also get them here, not much for variety though:

eBay Store - AutoPainterSupply: Devilbiss Iwata Sharpe Spray Guns, Hutchins Chicago Pnuematic National Detroit Air Sanders



Here is edges site:

Dedication to Detail - The Edge Buffing Pads





BTW, edge=presta



I use the double sided system personaly.
 
Coupe said:
You can call autogeek and they will drop ship them to you.



BTW, edge=presta



I use the double sided system personaly.



Yup, I got mine by calling AG. Got two of each color except black. Figured I'd never need more than one double sided black pad. They had them at my door in three days.
 
Im not sure what sizes they really even offer, i know for sure they make 7 1/4" and 6". What sizes you using?
 
Hahaha im going the other way. Ive been using 6" pads for the longest and now im getting into using bigger ones. They sure are nice to use on hoods, trunks, full size trucks and SUV's. Im still using my 6" ones on smaller vehicles though.
 
I thought wool was DANGEROUS! Seems Coupe and David F. are bringing it back. Coupe I remember when you were just starting to inquire about wool, now look at ya!



Im really surprised about this whole wool movement on here, Ive always been under the impression that wool pads are really really dangerous.



How much more clear do you remove when using wool compared to foam?



I am seriously considering wool now after all Ive heard around here!



Jim
 
kleraudio said:
I thought wool was DANGEROUS! Seems Coupe and David F. are bringing it back. Coupe I remember when you were just starting to inquire about wool, now look at ya!



Im really surprised about this whole wool movement on here, Ive always been under the impression that wool pads are really really dangerous.



How much more clear do you remove when using wool compared to foam?



I am seriously considering wool now after all Ive heard around here!



Jim





I have completely fallin in love with wool pads, edge/presta specificaly. I have no experiance with any others.



After using wool for the first time i quickly realized that every thread ive read about them being to aggresive/dangerous was a bunch of crap.



IMO foam cutting pads are FAR more aggresive/dangerous than wool.
 
Really??



Man I think I should have went wool, they definitely seem ALOT easier to control.



So you think foam is removing more clear than wool huh?? Yet wool does a better job?



Man im interested!



Coupe your using the ~7" wool from edge right?



Jim
 
Well i should re-phrase a tad on what i said.

In my limited experiance with wool i think both wool and foam remove the same amount of paint. The differences i noticed immediatley with the wool is it does not heat up the paint like foam, leaves little micro-marring unlike foam and is much easier to control than foam.



Gotta remember though i only have done 4 cars using wool and the only wool ive used thus far is the edge/presta wool. Im not exactly experianced yet, its just what i noticed so far with wool.



Right now im only using 7 1/4" wool, gonna be ordering the 6" next month.
 
Well If its working why use anything else??



I think Im gonna call up AG and order some egde wool. Its got a hole in the middle to use with the adapter right? Or is it hook and loop backing?



So you recommend the yellow and green wool? Im gonna use 6 inch I think.



Jim
 
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