Sealant over Wax?

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Smokin' Mark

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I'm experimenting on my jet black Mazdaspeed3. I cleaned the paint, applied M20, and put Souveran over it. It looks stunning, but I think I can do better. I would like to try Wolfgang sealant with Souveran over it.

Can I apply the Wolfgang sealant over the old Souveran or do I need to remove it first?

Smokin'
 
Well, you're not supposed to put a sealant over a wax according to manufacturer directive. The sealant won't bond correctly to the paint. Your best bet would be to do some sort of step to remove the previous LSP and start anew.

But hey, it couldn't hurt to try it out and see for yourself. Worst thing you'll do is waste a little time and product. I assure you, your paint won't peel off the sheet metal and you won't go to detailing hell for trying it.
 
Eh? Wolfgang has a mild cleaner in it? I haven't heard that before. Are you talking about the Paint Work Polish Enhancer or the Sealant itself. The Paint Work Polish Enhancer will remove anything on the surface, so it won't be a layer of anything by the time you get to the sealant. The Sealant doesn't have any cleaners that I've ever been told about. If it had cleaners then you wouldn't be able to layer it at all.

As far as putting a sealant over a wax, that is a fairly well documented bad idea I thought. The sealant won't bond to the wax, so I'm just not sure why you would want to waste a product that is nearly $40 bucks a bottle. Jared is exactly right about wasting time and product. You will get just as much durability out of the sealant as the wax has left in it. Even Autogeek's site says to remove the wax buildup before applying the sealant.

I'm all for experimenting, but when we know that sealants don't bond to oils, why on earth would anyone want to suggest to try it to see what the results are? It is like suggesting that you grease up your car and then try painting it to see what happens. We know what happens. Sealants won't bond to wax and there is no benefit in trying it just to prove what science has already told us. The best thing you can do is clean the wax off with a paint cleaner and then put the sealant down first and put the wax on top of the Wolfgang after it has its 12 hour cure time. Those are Autogeek's instructions, not mine. I would imagine they know a thing or two about getting the best results out of their products. ;)
 
Smokin' Mark said:
I'm experimenting on my jet black Mazdaspeed3. I cleaned the paint, applied M20, and put Souveran over it. It looks stunning, but I think I can do better. I would like to try Wolfgang sealant with Souveran over it.

Can I apply the Wolfgang sealant over the old Souveran or do I need to remove it first?

Smokin'
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How long between these two jobs?


If you are talking about one week then I would use a mild polish or paint cleaner to remove what is on the ...if you are looking at a month or better...the wax you have left on the surface I don't see as a bonding issue.

But I also agree with JP...do a panel and see how it works?

I do this all the time on my cars trying out new products...
 
Smokin' Mark said:
Autogeek does indeed say that! I'm going to remove the wax first. The wax is only one week old. This forum rocks!
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Since its so new then a paint cleaner or mild polish would be a step I would follow...I'd do it by hand...removing wax is no big deal

For that matter a good wash with dish soap will do it...but you didn't hear me say that.
 
Beemerboy said:
For that matter a good wash with dish soap will do it...but you didn't hear me say that.
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Oh heavens no! It is well documented that using dish wash soap is clearly against manufacturer directions and should never, ever, in any case be done. Would you wash your dishes with car wash soap? Would you take a bath in shampoo? Oh, for goodness sakes I should hope not! Not only will dishwashing soap eat every last bit of paint off your vehicle, it will also open a portal straight to Hades and we will all be consumed in an eternal fire! :eek:
 
Actually, many owner's manuals have named dishwashing liquid specifically as a recomended product to clean your car. I don't know if it is still a current practice or not, but my '99 Integra manual said it as well as my '97 Mustang. I'll have to look at my Corolla manual to see what it says. I think we know better than to take auto manufacterers advice when it comes to car care products, but it isn't a wonder why so many people have used dishwashing soap to wash their cars for so long.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
Actually, many owner's manuals have named dishwashing liquid specifically as a recomended product to clean your car. I don't know if it is still a current practice or not, but my '99 Integra manual said it as well as my '97 Mustang. I'll have to look at my Corolla manual to see what it says. I think we know better than to take auto manufacterers advice when it comes to car care products, but it isn't a wonder why so many people have used dishwashing soap to wash their cars for so long.
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Interesting.
I just checked some owner's manuals for our vehicles.
Products to use:
1998 Chevrolet Blazer - liquid hand, dish or car washing soap. (Mild detergent)
1999 Honda CR-V - Mild detergent such as dishwashing liquid or car wash soap.
2000 Honda CR-V - Same as for the 1999.
2000 Pontiac - Use a car washing soap.
2004 Pontiac - Use a car washing soap.

Like Jngr said, information to lead one to think dishwashing liquid is OK.
I can't remember the manufacturer, but I'm sure I have read where one says to use plain water. They don't recommend using anything but just the water.

Back on topic. :)
I don't/wouldn't use a sealant over a wax.
I personally don't use a wax over a sealant.
FWIW, the WOWA sealants do claim to work over a wax.
 
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