Sacrificial Layer For Optimum Gloss Coat

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Blackdevil77

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I know a lot of these coatings suggest using a sacrificial layer to protect the coating, allowing it to last longer. Which I`m fine with. While I was researching different coatings, I came across Kamikaze Overcoat. It`s designed to be a sacrificial layer for their Kamikaze coat, or as they advertise it, any ceramic or glass coating. It can be also used as a stand alone product. I was wondering if anybody on here has any experience with this product. From videos I`ve seen, it looks promising and it`s water behavior is really nice.
 
You can read this post from Yvan of optimum. With the cars that I have gloss coated all I use is ONR with optimum`s spray detailer. Once in awhile I will use opti-seal as a drying aid just because. Not really needed as it won`t last long on Gloss Coat anyways.

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The Guz said:
You can read this post from Yvan of optimum. With the cars that I have gloss coated all I use is ONR with optimum`s spray detailer. Once in awhile I will use opti-seal as a drying aid just because. Not really needed as it won`t last long on Gloss Coat anyways.

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That`s great that it doesn`t need it. I remember reading also that gloss coat was designed so you can put stuff on top of it, like waxes etc if you want, even though it`s not necessary. Only reason I was looking to do it is for aggressive water beading and super hydrophobic behavior. Just makes washing and drying the car much easier. Right now my car isn`t coated, but has 2 layers of Collinite 845 on it. I dry the whole car with a leaf blower and all the water just comes right off.
 
Heh heh, seems like some folks put about as much effort into augmenting their coatings as I put into using just conventional LSPs.
 
Blackdevil77 said:
I came across Kamikaze Overcoat.
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OverCoat is very cool and works well. I really like it.

If you want a "coating like" topper Overcoat and CarPro Reload are the 2 I would suggest.



On my truck that sits outside 24/7 and has Opti-Coat I tend to use Opti Car Wax.
 
Can Sonax Brilliant Shine detailer be used? It`s cheap and got great reviews from what I`ve read. It being ungodly hydrophobic is a huge plus as well. I was between reload and Overcoat. After some research, I read some horror stories about reload with streaking and oil smears that are a real pain to remove. Not to mention my car is black, so it would be very noticeable. Overcoat looks good, but at 75 bucks, I can`t help but consider something like Sonax Brilliant Shine detailer after what I`ve read about it. At that price point, and being easy to apply, I wouldn`t have a problem applying it with every wash or every other wash.
 
Blackdevil77 said:
Can Sonax Brilliant Shine detailer be used? It`s cheap and got great reviews from what I`ve read. It being ungodly hydrophobic is a huge plus as well. I was between reload and Overcoat. After some research, I read some horror stories about reload with streaking and oil smears that are a real pain to remove. Not to mention my car is black, so it would be very noticeable. Overcoat looks good, but at 75 bucks, I can`t help but consider something like Sonax Brilliant Shine detailer after what I`ve read about it. At that price point, and being easy to apply, I wouldn`t have a problem applying it with every wash or every other wash.
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Of course! Any QD can be used, they typically just don`t last very long. Don`t expect much durability unless you`re gonna apply weekly.
 
jrock645 said:
Of course! Any QD can be used, they typically just don`t last very long. Don`t expect much durability unless you`re gonna apply weekly.
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I don`t mind applying regularly. Especially at that price point. From what I`ve read, the length of time Sonax bsd lasts is remarkable.
 
Blackdevil77 said:
Can Sonax Brilliant Shine detailer be used? It`s cheap and got great reviews from what I`ve read. It being ungodly hydrophobic is a huge plus as well. I was between reload and Overcoat. After some research, I read some horror stories about reload with streaking and oil smears that are a real pain to remove. Not to mention my car is black, so it would be very noticeable. Overcoat looks good, but at 75 bucks, I can`t help but consider something like Sonax Brilliant Shine detailer after what I`ve read about it. At that price point, and being easy to apply, I wouldn`t have a problem applying it with every wash or every other wash.
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its not going to leave that slick feeling. Check out forum member Loach`s YouTube channel. He goes by waxmode. I would say to stick with optimum`s detail spray and opti-seal to stick with product synergy. Again gloss coat does not need a topper. Meguiar`s M34 also works fine as it leaves nothing behind other than gloss.
 
Blackdevil77 said:
Can Sonax Brilliant Shine detailer be used? It`s cheap and got great reviews from what I`ve read. It being ungodly hydrophobic is a huge plus as well. I was between reload and Overcoat. After some research, I read some horror stories about reload with streaking and oil smears that are a real pain to remove. Not to mention my car is black, so it would be very noticeable. Overcoat looks good, but at 75 bucks, I can`t help but consider something like Sonax Brilliant Shine detailer after what I`ve read about it. At that price point, and being easy to apply, I wouldn`t have a problem applying it with every wash or every other wash.
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Sonax BSD is simply amazing as far asa water behavior. But as was noted previously it is not "Slick" feeling. So if you like to touch the paint and want that ultra slick finish this isn`t for you and Overcoat / CarPro Reload would be a better fit. But yes, Overcoat is crazy expensive and for that reason I have been using more Sonax BSD.

One side note and possibly a reason to pick up a small bottle of Overcoat is that it has some filling ability to it. So if you have any minor marring this can cover it up.
 
TroyScherer said:
Sonax BSD is simply amazing as far asa water behavior. But as was noted previously it is not "Slick" feeling. So if you like to touch the paint and want that ultra slick finish this isn`t for you and Overcoat / CarPro Reload would be a better fit. But yes, Overcoat is crazy expensive and for that reason I have been using more Sonax BSD.

One side note and possibly a reason to pick up a small bottle of Overcoat is that it has some filling ability to it. So if you have any minor marring this can cover it up.
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I think I`m gonna go with Sonax BSD. I don`t mind if the paint doesn`t feel slick to the touch. As long as it has a reasonably durable hydrophobic layer that offers decent protection.

That`s not a bad idea with the overcoat. If I get any light surface imperfections in the coating, I`ll try some overcoat.
 
Blackdevil77 said:
I think I`m gonna go with Sonax BSD. I don`t mind if the paint doesn`t feel slick to the touch. As long as it has a reasonably durable hydrophobic layer that offers decent protection.

That`s not a bad idea with the overcoat. If I get any light surface imperfections in the coating, I`ll try some overcoat.
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Wouldn`t expect much filling with Overcoat but for something that is quick-detailer-ish, it`s some crazy good, durable stuff. Use it maybe once a month to top 2 coated cars, not even halfway through the $70 bottle since purchasing last May. Little goes a long way and not frequently needed. Think last time I applied was beginning of August and black Corvette still shining even after many drives in rain. Well, except for back end...rear bumper/back end of cars tells no lies.

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