s100 to souveran???
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Monetarily, no. You can buy 4 containers of S100 for the cost of 1 container of Souverän, at the regular price. The performance of both is also about the same. There's a lot of discussion here about that.
Mentally, maybe. If you like to splurge on detailing products and this subject becomes a nagging question for you, go for it. I use both. I like Souverän a little better, but only because it has a nice aroma to it. When I say "a little better", that's it, just a little better, sometimes. One day I'll use S100 another day I'll use Souverän. Just depends on what I feel like using. No rhyme or reason for my decision.
Mentally, maybe. If you like to splurge on detailing products and this subject becomes a nagging question for you, go for it. I use both. I like Souverän a little better, but only because it has a nice aroma to it. When I say "a little better", that's it, just a little better, sometimes. One day I'll use S100 another day I'll use Souverän. Just depends on what I feel like using. No rhyme or reason for my decision.
jimmybuffit
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I've done side by side comparisons on my black hood. Very nice. No visible difference.
Jim
Jim
I have both S100 and Souveran (my Miata is a 10AE). My girlfriend has a black Lincoln LS that I've used both waxes on. I had the Pinnacle PCL/Souveran combo on it but it presently has Klasse AIO/S100 (prepped with Menzerna FP on a PC). I can't in all honesty say that one is better than the other but they are very similar but still different. It is not a $50 difference though. Here's the AIO/S100 pic:
http://www.autopia.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4986&papass=&sort=1
http://www.autopia.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=4986&papass=&sort=1
Accumulator
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Differences between P21S and Souveran seem to be very dependent on the application. While JimaMary finds no difference on his black hood, and Beastie found them similar on a different black car, switching between the two waxes on my metallic gray XJS makes for a VERY noticeable difference.
On my Jag, the P21S is MUCH "harder" looking, and much more reflective, while the Souveran is MUCH "softer", but looks deeper and "richer". Personal preferences factor in here, but I can't imagine anyone NOT noticing the difference, and preferring one or the other, on THAT particular car.
On my Jag, the P21S is MUCH "harder" looking, and much more reflective, while the Souveran is MUCH "softer", but looks deeper and "richer". Personal preferences factor in here, but I can't imagine anyone NOT noticing the difference, and preferring one or the other, on THAT particular car.
Jngrbrdman
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The only color I've seen Souveran really have an edge to other waxes is on deep red or really dark blue. Like saphire blue. It is an obvious winner on those colors. On black its just really hard to tell because there is a point where it is as reflective as its going to get and the other effects are lost in the reflection. Souveran may get it to that point and beyond, but its just too hard to tell because S100/P21S does the same thing for me. I'd make the switch for sure if you've got red or blue. Even Green. If its just black then its probably not cost effective. The difference isn't worth an extra $50+ bucks.
Accumulator said:
I've noticed the same. S100 seems to be the brightest and most reflective carnauba wax I've used. Souveran, Paste Glaz, Carnauba Moose, Meguiars #26 and Poorboy's Natty Wax all seem to slightly darken the paint in comparison to S100 and all seems to have a somewhat softer and richer glow.
You might want to try Carnauba Moose, #26 or Natty Wax on your car as a cheaper alternative test to see if you like the softer, richer look.
Pats300zx
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I have used both S100 and Souveran on my Aztec Red Nissan 300ZX. Both are the same as far as ease of use and shine. I have found it extremely difficult to find a difference in the two.
imported_Intermezzo
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Even without considering the cost differences between these products, I would still choose P21S over Souveran based on the excellent testing done by Jngrbrdman in this thread:
P21S v. Souveran
As much as shine and longevity are important in a wax, I place the ability to repel dust, water and the elements in general as a very important characteristic too.
Quote (from the former D-Dawg!):
"I think you can agree that the P21S side (the left (driver's) side) is cleaner than the right side. The P21S definatly helps even in the condition that my car was in. I'll post better pics when they become availible. I'm going to go wash the bad boy now. I can't stand it being that dirty...."
P21S v. Souveran
As much as shine and longevity are important in a wax, I place the ability to repel dust, water and the elements in general as a very important characteristic too.
Quote (from the former D-Dawg!):
"I think you can agree that the P21S side (the left (driver's) side) is cleaner than the right side. The P21S definatly helps even in the condition that my car was in. I'll post better pics when they become availible. I'm going to go wash the bad boy now. I can't stand it being that dirty...."
imported_BretFraz
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Like others, I have both. I've used both recently on my car and customer's cars. S100 is currently on my new truck.
Frankly its hard for me to tell the diff. I've been using Souveran since 1998 so I'm certainly used to the look. I agree with those who say S100 is a little glossier. Not much but just a tad.
My guess is Souveran has more oils in it (or different oils) and that's where the diffs in looks come from.
Frankly its hard for me to tell the diff. I've been using Souveran since 1998 so I'm certainly used to the look. I agree with those who say S100 is a little glossier. Not much but just a tad.
My guess is Souveran has more oils in it (or different oils) and that's where the diffs in looks come from.
Jngrbrdman
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Intermezzo said:
Why, thank you sir.
Its always nice to have testing remembered. And you know, now that I look at those pictures again I can tell that the Souveran side had some bits of grass and stuff stuck to it. Just like Liquid Souveran. Liquid Souveran rinsed much much better than the past Souveran did, but they both have that weird tendency to have things 'stick' to them. LS had slush stuck to it and PS had grass. I can't remember if there was slush or not.... I don't think it did. P21S was definitely a slicker surface that dirt and slush and grass didn't stick to very long. :bigups In some situations I'm just like you. I don't care how long the product lasts as long as there is some benefit to having it while it lasts. P21S/S100 is easily a 6 week wax anyway and that is competitive with Souveran. Now it just comes down to a possible slight appearance difference or a major slickness and anti-dust surface difference. :nixweiss I think I'll go for the latter.
Pats300zx
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I have used S100 in conjunction with Megs #81. Thats is an awesome combo....:up
To me it depends on what color car you have and what you would like the paint to look like. If you have a darker color, and you want a deep, liquid wet shine, I prefer Souveran. Souveran does attract more dust. If you prefer a more reflective/refractive shine, I prefer S100/P21S. I also have had great success using Souveran and topped with a layer of S100/P21S to keep the dust down.
When I had my black 740iL, I had the most compliments when I either had AIO, topped with Souveran and or Poorboys EX topped with Souveran.
Here is a pic of Souveran on top of AIO. Very wet and liquid looking.
Here is a 56 MBZ 190 Convert. Polished with Swirl Free Polish, SEPC and topped with Souveran. Also very wet and liquid looking.
For Lighter colors, I prefer sealant like AIO topped and PUPP or AIO and SG topped with S100/P21S.
Here is a pic of my new Titanium 740i Sport with AIO x 1, PUPP x 2 and then topped with P21S.
Souveran for very wet looking darker colors and S100/P21S for more of a reflective shine on lighter colors, especially metallic paint works the best for me.
Cheers,
When I had my black 740iL, I had the most compliments when I either had AIO, topped with Souveran and or Poorboys EX topped with Souveran.
Here is a pic of Souveran on top of AIO. Very wet and liquid looking.
Here is a 56 MBZ 190 Convert. Polished with Swirl Free Polish, SEPC and topped with Souveran. Also very wet and liquid looking.
For Lighter colors, I prefer sealant like AIO topped and PUPP or AIO and SG topped with S100/P21S.
Here is a pic of my new Titanium 740i Sport with AIO x 1, PUPP x 2 and then topped with P21S.
Souveran for very wet looking darker colors and S100/P21S for more of a reflective shine on lighter colors, especially metallic paint works the best for me.
Cheers,
raymond_ho2002
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One side is s100, the other is souveran. Anyone see a difference? I can't tell from in person or in pictures.
Accumulator
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Scottwax said:
Yeah, if I ever run out of Souveran (that's the only car I use it on) I'll probably try the #26, unless I decide to just glaze it (REAL garage queen). Eventually there won't be many products I haven't tried on that car!
Those who like P21s/S100 really oughta try Meguiar's #16. It gives the same general look as P21S (differences are gonna be in the eye of the beholder) and the same "self cleaning" effect. For some reason I kinda prefer the #16, especially on cars with not-quite-perfect finishes. Plus, it certainly seems to last longer (for *ME*) and it's pretty cheap.