S100 over-hyped?

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MidnightHour

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With all this talk about P21S/S100, I HAD to get some. Easy on/easy off, deep shine, quite a few people prefer it besidese Zaino(what I currently use) ...I had to try this stuff. Earlier this week I broke down and bought some from the local Harley dealer. As of right now, I've only got 2 coats of Z5 on my black Supra. I washed my car today and since I had nothing else to do, I waxed it with S100. The first thing I noticed was it wasn't NEAR as easy to get off as I expected. Both my Zaino and #26 were easier to take off than the S100. It streaked easily so I had to keep a very observant eye while wiping off. I was using PakShak towels, BTW. You guys made it sound like it would almost be as easy as a QD. Also, about the cosmetic properties. I could only see the slightest difference between the S100 topped Z5 and just straight Z5.



Here's my question. Was I expecting to much? Could I have done something wrong? Shed some lights guys. I'd like to think there's more to S100 than what I'm experiencing
 
I think its a lil more hype than what its worth.....However it is easy to use, IMO...Doesnt leave any residual, so its a decent product, but Im a Polymer man myself, in the strict sense.....I use S100, to give my polys additional advantages...I have never used pure carnaubas on client cars for their depth or protection....Theres just too much to offer with todays Blackfires twins, Platinums, Poorboys (although i havent used it yet), Zainos (another one i havent used) and Klasse Twins....my .02.....
 
If it is any more difficult to remove than a QD you're leaving it on too long. Try doing smaller sections and remove it as soon as it hazes. It's been extremely easy for me.
 
Just my personal experiences with S100/P21S, I haven't had a problem with streaking nor do I find S100 no more difficult than Z-2 or Z-5 to buff out. It is easier for me than Zaino due to not having to wait (20-30 mins if using zfx) for it to haze. Perhaps you were applying it on a too large of an area before buffing it out or allowing it to haze. I usually apply S100 in a 2-3 ft square area then immediately buff/wipe it off, which is similar to what I do when using a QD or Z-6. Using a QD can remove/eliminate any hazing or streaking without resorting to high effort buffing or adding more product to the affected area.
 
Either you were leaving it on too long or using waaaaaaaay too much. I've never had any streaking or removal issues with S100.



You need to use very thin layers and buff off immediately. Do a fender at a time then buff right away. You can't glob it on the whole car then come back and try and remove it.
 
I'm with the emerging majority here. S100 was amazingly easy to apply and buff-off. :up Apply to one small section, buff off, move on.



If you're having trouble buffing-off the S100, maybe these tips will help: Once it has hazed, if it seems too dry, spritz it with water (preferably, distilled water), then buff it with a good MF or high-quality cotton towel (like Autopia and DFTtowel sell).



My only reservation: I was applying S100 onto a zaino car (Z2; see my gallery), and thought it would add lots of depth/warmth. It didn't. I'm much happier with unadulterated Zaino.
 
That is what I was doing. I'm was doing a panel at a time(which aren't big panels). I thought I was using the right amount. I tried using as little wax as possible. I guess I just need more time under the pad. Thanks for the assurance. I figured it was user error. :p
 
Im with ScottWax It will only streak or haze if you use to much. And never depend on just a carnuba always use a polymer or something before. S100 is just my topper over real protection IE Klasse,Zaino,BF II,EX,#20 Etc.
 
Fr0zen said:
And never depend on just a carnuba always use a polymer or something before. S100 is just my topper over real protection IE Klasse,Zaino,BF II,EX,#20 Etc.
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I couldn't disagree more strongly! On the Benz, because I wasn't equipped to deal with all the swirls, I've been using a glaze followed by wax, no sealants. She looks quite nice. :up No doubt, she'll look better, once I get around to the whole polish/glaze/Klasse routine I plan for her, but she doesn't need all that to look good. The only drawback of a wax is that most aren't very durable, so you have to reapply them every 2 weeks or so.



At least that's my experience.
 
I've occasionally had streaking problems, but usually only when I still had residual water from the wash. It's a lot easier to take off if you applied s100 to completely dry panels. I've found that using a qd to remove the bulk of s100 tends to cause smears... But it doesnt smear after you get off most of it and you use qd to catch spots you might have missed.
 
Yes I will also get the darker lighter spots occasionally when water drips down from the mirrors or something but overall my expearience with S100 has been great. I always use it just for the finial detailing touch After polishing/Sealing.



You can still get really really nice results without polshing and sealing before wax. Glazes Work really nice on it also. Like Scotts VM topped with S100 combo. I was generally saying that never depend on just a carnuba for protection because they are the least durable protection on the scale.
 
Just my personal experiences with S100/P21S, I haven't had a problem with streaking
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Same experiences here. I have never had any issues with S100 streaking or problems buffing. I just use light coats and wipe off before it hazes. I know that S100 is probably not that durable but I am using it as a topper over Klasse SG on my red truck. I think the S100 gives the shine so much more depth as oppposed to the sharpness from SG alone.



S100 is so easy to use its almost like your are QD'ing. It takes no time to wax the entire car.
 
I've been using S100 in my wife's car lately just for fun. It is like rubbing butter on the car. The only trick is to do it when it is warm out (no problems with that in July) and to wipe it off almost immediately after applying it. If you do more than one panel at a time before wiping it off, it'll dry rock hard.



Sean
 
The only drawback of a wax is that most aren't very durable, so you have to reapply them every 2 weeks or so.
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Lynn, Im with Frozen on this one.....I have never had a client bring me back a car 2-3 weeks later for touch up, thats why Im so pro Polymer topped with a Carnauba for the dust free advantages they offer......Polys have way to much to offer these days.....
 
Are you applying the wax while the car is in the sun? I've never had applying/buffing S100 while in the shade, but in any direct sun, it's a bugger to remove if left on for more than what seems like a few seconds.



Michael
 
I have never had problems with S100. In fact I like the product! I use it over VM and I plan on using it over SG on my wife's Mustang. The only thing I notice is that S100 looks alot better 24 hours after application....Andrew
 
S100 works like a charm. Work in small areas, wipe on, and wipe off. Don't let it sit too long.



And as far as appearance goes, I'd give the wax a day to cure after application before judging the product.



It's one carnuba that's well respected in this community when compared to other heavy hitters like Pinnacle Souveran.
 
Not sure which of my posts you're referring to, Patrick. Probably I could have and should have been a little clearer. Let me try to do so now.



I'm really happy with S100 -- very easy to apply, good looking, feels good, smells good, great shine. But I also realize that -- like any wax -- it's not going to be as durable as a sealant (SG, Zaino, etc.). And, personally, I didn't think it added much "zing" on top of my Zaino on the white car.



My only disagreement in this thread is with Fr0zen's comment that one should "never" use a carnauba without a sealant. There are plenty of times when one is justified to opt for a wax alone.



Hope I've been a little clearer this time.
 
Lynn said:
There are plenty of times when one is justified to opt for a wax alone.
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I think I agree with this. Besides weekend drivers and garage queens, I think that an "Autopian's" car could probably get by with a normal carnauba and not "have to" use a sealant. We take better care of our cars than most people, and re-wax quite often as well. I do think that good sealants like Klasse and Zaino typically would provide tougher protection than a carnauba, but for us car care nuts would it really make that much of a difference?



The one thing that some of the sealants are definitely good at is being long-lasting and durable, with protection that potentially lasts for months. Don't forget though, some waxes such as the famous Collinite and Blitz and Megs #26 have a reputation for durability as well.



Back on topic more :), I like my S100 wax thoroughly. I haven't had the opportunity to compare it on dark paint, but I have no qualms about the way it looks. It may not be the toughest wax out there, but I've found it to be pretty decent in longevity considering how easy and fast it is to use for a paste wax. I'm hoping that you have used S100 incorrectly in some way SpeedSolutions, because I also have #26, and was surprised to read that you think it was easier to use. My #26 has been collecting dust ever since I discovered S100. :xyxthumbs
 
The s100 wax is an easy and fast way to get a great shine. I have found that it takes two maybe three clean 16x16 M.F. towels to wipe it all off completely on a mid to large car. The first M.F. seems to get full of product half to three quarters of the way through, so i move on to a clean one. By having a few clean M.F. towels around when i use the s100, i have never had a problem with streaking.



Cheers
 
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