rotary buffer holograms help.

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chip douglas

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I'm using a rotary buffer at 1400 rpm, with the following combo : 3M's PI III MG part # 5937, which is non filling swirl mark remover with 3M's convoluted polishing pad, which are soft pads, BUT I still get some holograms out of this last combo--what could I be doing wrong ? The car is black by the way.

I find I'm able to remove holograms but it's one heck of a job, and I think there may be something I'm not doing right which cause them to begin with.

I'd really appreciate some help here and the cold weather is coming our way and I have to work outside :)

Marc
 
Marc, he he, seems like there's no end huh? :(

I strongly urge you to try Lake Country pads and maybe your paint is just too sensitive to the 3m. Menzerna stuff works great via rotary just PM Deanski for all the details you'd want to know.

Also, perhaps try 1000 or 1100 rpm? I think I had similar issues when I was practicing at 1400 but I was also using PI II FC RC and DACP so more aggressivepolishes may have been to blame.
 
LOL LOL, Bill you're everywhere :) Are you God hehehe ? I mean the God of car detailing to be more accurate. It's good to have a good laugh, I like it :).

As I've said I can take pretty much all of them out using the rotary alone but I simply wonder whether there's something that I'm not doing right. I'll be off tomorrow morning and will give it a go, and they forecast fine weather and next to no wind :). I'll let you know what happens.

I was joking above, cause I honestly feel you're trying to help me out the best you can and that is truly by me Marc--thanks Bud !

Later
 
:o :o

He he,WAY far from being a detailing god LOL That title is reserved for someone who's been in the industry for a long long time.

Best of luck to you. Hope you make out well!
 
Chip,

You want professional results but have not put in professional hours, with the rotary at least.

I of course mean no offense with that comment but rather I mean to say don't rush it. You will learn by experience.

You could come out here to Texas, detail with me for a day or two but you would still develop your own style and technique which would differ from mine or another detailer. The fundamentals stay the same, like watching your speed, heat build up, angle of pad, right pad/product choice for the job at hand, etc. But how you put those fundamentals into play is your own creation.

Keep practicing,
Anthony
 
See what you did chip. You tried to strip anthony of his Detail God title and I think he got a little upset. Boy your lucky that he has compassion. :lmfao
Thats me third from the left. One of the disciples.
 
No offense taken Anthony, really. You're being fair to me--I haven't put in that many hours in it, yet as I said I can pretty much take all of those holograms out with the rotary alone on my black car, but it's one very tough job. So far I've got many hours in it though-the equivalent of two complete summers day in day out, but it's nowhere near 15 years like you.

I'm way demanding to myself, I'm sure you have noticed. Few and far between are the people willing to pressure themselves as much as I do, and truthfully, it's not fun at all.

I guess you're right, everyone develops his own buffing style--as long as it works fine.


I can't take any offense, as I've asked the same question for months, so I've downright asked for it.

I'll keep you posted later this evening about the day I had on that black car.

Thanks for your patience, as Im quite a handful.

Marc


P.S. How often would you say it is safe to use PI III MG with the rotary + polishing pad ?
 
Do you have a Cyclo or PC. An orbital should be able to remove the remaining holograms from your rotary usage. I am surprised Mr. Orosco did not mention this, since he usually finishes his detail up with the cyclo.

Good Luck, Brad
 
You might want to start off with a LC black finish pad, something like SSR1/FP and 1000-1200rpm. If any combo was bound to NOT make holograms, I would think that would be a good place to start.

PS - I'm not a rotary expert yet either.....
 
brwill2004 said:
Do you have a Cyclo or PC. An orbital should be able to remove the remaining holograms from your rotary usage. I am surprised Mr. Orosco did not mention this, since he usually finishes his detail up with the cyclo.

Good Luck, Brad
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Actually I did mention it, although it was in an E-mail to Marc :)

You are correct though, a going over after your final rotary step with the PC, better yet the Cyclo, will help to really give the paint that "flawless" appearance......or at least next to flawless!

Thanks,
Anthony
 
I'm a realtive NOOB WRT rotaries myself, but I recently did 2 black Lightnings using my Makita and Menzerna PG. I did the PG pass using somewhere in the 600-900 RPM range and a LC cutting pad. Then I followed up with 1Z PP with a LC polishing pad about 900 RPM and when nearly played out boosted to just aroutnd 1000. Finished off with LC finishing pad and Menzerna FP finally hitting 1200 RPM.

Both days the work was done in the sun and had to either spritz the pad or paint with EO W&S until I thought the compounds had fullt broken down.

I deliberately used low RPM to limit heat buildup on black paint in the sun. I did not get any holo's either. Hope this helps.

Here are the results on the second one (Chris Smith monikered photos). Double click to enlarge and double click that to view full resolution

http://www.svt-enthusiast.com/modules/gallery/Gonzo
 
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