Rotary and Rubbing Compound

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BLACKWRX

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I recently received and used the Makita rotary, previous and still have the orbital pc......I love using the poorboys 2.5 to remove light swirls and scratches with my pc.......HOWEVER with the rotary it basically instantaniously breaks down the 2.5, its like you cant use enough of it......is this normal with this product and rotary
so i broke out a bottle of 3m rubbing compound, put some on and went to town.....the 3m held up A LOT longer
so i like the 3m but its messy........... do you guys have any recommendations for a good rubbing compound
by the way that makita is a super quiet and nice rotary and easy to use....and clears up the paint way quicker than the little vibrating pc ....... i highly recommend one:D
 
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BLACKWRX said:
I recently received and used the Makita rotary, previous and still have the orbital pc......I love using the poorboys 2.5 to remove light swirls and scratches with my pc.......HOWEVER with the rotary it basically instantaniously breaks down the 2.5, its like you cant use enough of it......is this normal with this product and rotary
so i broke out a bottle of 3m rubbing compound, put some on and went to town.....the 3m held up A LOT longer
so i like the 3m but its messy........... do you guys have any recommendations for a good rubbing compound
by the way that makita is a super quiet and nice rotary and easy to use....and clears up the paint way quicker than the little vibrating pc ....... i highly recommend one
:D
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Depending on what you are trying to do depends on what product and machine that you use...compounds are pretty aggressive products and can do more harm than good on some clear coats so I would use some caution with that one......also some swirl removers are chemical based and will not break down that easy or at all....I have one for black finishes by Ardex and they say keep working until you get the results you are looking for........With the rotary and the 2.5 the product breaks down quickly but don't be fooled by that, thinking that its not working because you are not sling product all over the place...The trick to getting good results with a rotary is to work the product until it disappears and there is little to no residue that you can see....not saying that there is not a bit of residue there.....Check your work and see if you have lifted the swirls that you are trying to get out...then repeat again if needed...From there I would move into the SSR1 with the rotary and I think that you will find a great finish....its what I'm doing on cars..as fro the 3M line before I got into using PB that was all I used on my cars, good stuff however I have felt that the PB is a much users friendly line and more diverse
 
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i love the poorboys 1, 2,2.5, and 3..........for the PC.....using the rotory with 2.5, the stuff evaporates quick, and i didnt feel is if it was cutting enough
it evaporated so fast i thought i would mess the finish up, its just hard to work with and to modulate (its there then gone, the 3m compound slowly slowly broke down) so your still saying the poorboys is good stuff for the rotory or the 3m
anymore suggestions?
 
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BLACKWRX said:
i love the poorboys 1, 2,2.5, and 3..........for the PC.....using the rotory with 2.5, the stuff evaporates quick, and i didnt feel is if it was cutting enough
it evaporated so fast i thought i would mess the finish up, its just hard to work with and to modulate (its there then gone, the 3m compound slowly slowly broke down) so your still saying the poorboys is good stuff for the rotory or the 3m
anymore suggestions?
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Try using IP. It has a long working time,little too no dusting and you can move to your LSP. I'm having trouble with SSR 2.5 gumming up way to early. I doubt that is because of the product line,i just need a little time to learn how to work with it.
 
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Thats easy:

Any optimum or menzerna.

Run opt @ 1200

Run Menzerna @ 1500

ENJOY!!

Greg
 
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exactly what greg Optimum, Menzerna, plus Meguiars
 
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GregCavi said:
Thats easy:

Any optimum or menzerna.

Run opt @ 1200

Run Menzerna @ 1500

ENJOY!!

Greg
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I've never used these products it I can thread hijack here...On Menzerna is this a super cutting swirls remover??? and is it a high temp product?
 
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As non-Detailcity as this is:

I used to use a Makita rotary with 3M white waffle pads and 3M Perfect-it II paste compound to get a finish free of deep scratches. You will use more material than with the PC and see results 10 times faster, be careful not to over do it. I would have to pressure wash the car after this step every time. I would then polish with the rotary using a black 3M waffle pad and 3M Foam Pad Glaze. This would result in a shiny clear finish ready for wax.

I now have incorporated a Porter Cable into my process and changed the materials a bit. I know people will disagree, but I dont have the patients to work on a car that needs a serious polishing using only a Porter Cable. I use the Porter Cable for final polishing now. It is a champ for cleaning up any junk the rotary may have left behind.

For me a good recipe is:

Rotary + Waffle pad + 1 of either SSR 3 / 2.5 / Optimum Compound / 3M Perfect-it III

Porter Cable + Flat pad + 1 of either SSR 1 / Menzerna FPII / Optimim Polish
 
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jdoria said:
As non-Detailcity as this is:

I used to use a Makita rotary with 3M white waffle pads and 3M Perfect-it II paste compound to get a finish free of deep scratches. You will use more material than with the PC and see results 10 times faster, be careful not to over do it. I would have to pressure wash the car after this step every time. I would then polish with the rotary using a black 3M waffle pad and 3M Foam Pad Glaze. This would result in a shiny clear finish ready for wax.

I now have incorporated a Porter Cable into my process and changed the materials a bit. I know people will disagree, but I dont have the patients to work on a car that needs a serious polishing using only a Porter Cable. I use the Porter Cable for final polishing now. It is a champ for cleaning up any junk the rotary may have left behind.

For me a good recipe is:

Rotary + Waffle pad + 1 of either SSR 3 / 2.5 / Optimum Compound / 3M Perfect-it III

Porter Cable + Flat pad + 1 of either SSR 1 / Menzerna FPII / Optimim Polish
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Sounds interesting!

I have to wonder just how bad are these cars that they requiring this amount of cut on the clear? If they are older neglected cars or ones that have been run threw the swirl-o-matic cars washes allot then I could understand....what I am saying is that I have found few cars in my details that have required this amount of cut to get the finish back...and I use a rotary allot....just a question about the cars that are being worked on
 
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New paint jobs - all wet sanded with 1500 or 2000.

A few neglected auction "turds" for my lot.


Personal cars:

On my black 06 SLAAB I will use the rotary and SSR 2.5 at the end of the summer to get it perfect before a final round of Zaino for the winter. I'll hit it that way again in the spring for summer prep.

My 06 blue Toureg will get the swirl-o-matic until I return it. Its too big and does nothing for me buy gulp gallons of gas.

My Jeep is white and sits at the train for 10h per day. Its got only 700 miles on it and its Z5pro'd 4x now. Ill see what it needs in October. I wont hesitate to remove some skin with the rotary.


Beemer - you are forgetting I am in NY. Very close to NYC. The cars here look like they were shot with shotguns all around. Thats the norm. When I used to drive into midtown, the garage I parked at would back the cars up against one another and park them so close the valets would have to climb out the windows. All this service for $400 per month!
 
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I went through the same problem with the rotary when I first started, I always had too much product and got a lot of sling or I didn't use enough and wasn't getting the results I was after. Sure, you can get some compounds/polishes that have a longer work time than the SSR's, but IMHO you should improve upon your skills before anything. Whenever I get bored I find myself thinking "Is there anything I can buff out just to waiste time?", I get a lot of extra practice and I really enjoy buffing, so I picked up on it pretty quick. Just keep mesing around with speeds and trying to perfect your own technique, it'll make the learning curve a lot faster! :)
If you do however decide to switch compounds, I'll be one to vouch for Optimum Hyper Compound, it creates very little dust and you can work the product as long as you need to or until it's all gone. Great stuff! :bigups

Dolan
 
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okay the car i was doing was a1998 lexus ls400 it was carwash swirled to death....... no big deal, i was thinking 2.5 and the pc......the car wash swirls basically hid the bigger swirls.....so i broke out the rotory and 3m using speeds from 900 to 1200,1300.....definately better but still extremely scratchy and swirly... when i was done i still thought it could have looked better.......however from ten feet away it looked super clean and wet.......so yes to answer the one post i was working on a very intense and highly scratched/ deeply swirled car....i should have take pictures but it was hot and i was angry
 
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i will try the optimium............and hopefully i will be a jollier detailer:lmfao
 
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jdoria said:
Beemer - you are forgetting I am in NY. Very close to NYC. The cars here look like they were shot with shotguns all around. Thats the norm. When I used to drive into midtown, the garage I parked at would back the cars up against one another and park them so close the valets would have to climb out the windows. All this service for $400 per month!
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Got it not use to parking garages
 
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I would say a highly skilled PDR guy could make a huge knot in NY. The guys I have had dealings with that do PDR in NY are unmotivated sloths.
I new a guy personally that did mobile PDR, he was pulling in $300,000 annual gross doing retail and dealer work. He bought a "Dent Wizard" Franchise many moons ago and sold back it when Manheim Auctions bought it. I havent spoken to him in 5 or 6 years, he is officially a millionaire many times over from inhaling paint fumes and rubbing spring metal rods on pressed sheet metal.
 
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