Rinseless washing...

Garry Dean

Garry Dean

Garry Dean Quality!
How many of you love it?



If you love it, how often do you use it?



How do you feel about your technique not marring the paint?



Do you feel it is as safe or not as safe the way you execute your rinseless washes as that of a traditional wash method?



Elaborate on any or all of the above questions as you see fit.



Thank you for your reply.
 
I've been using a Waterless product as a regular upkeep(almost daily) after I give it a good bath conventionally. So far, no marring noted on my wife's black minivan. I also tend to use an overly excessive amount of product to mitigate any potential for marring. I might have something to do with why I'm so successful with my results?
 
I have been using ONR for over a year and lately tried Chemical Guys Ecosmart waterless.The results from ONR has been very good and I've started using this on customers cars plus friends and family. The learning curve is small and in no time a swirl free cleaning is possible on all but the softer paints. One must remember the limitations of a rinsless wash as well as a waterless wash. I think what is key to using a rinseless product often on a car would be to start out with a good power wash before hand.
 
I would say the vast majority of my maintenance washes lately have been rinseless, though I have been known to use waterless when I know a vehicle has good protection and isn't heavily soiled. Traditional washing is primarily reserved for full decontamination/deep cleaning jobs or situations where a vehicle simply cannot be washed any other way (heavy deposits of dirt, etc.)



I find that the technique I use does not instill marring except occasional occurrences on extremely soft paints. I would say it's no less safe than traditional washing as long as the soiling is within an acceptable range. The key to being safe is knowing when to utilize the tool and when to opt for other methods.



One thing I do when rinseless washing is to pre-soak the panel out of a spray bottle (similar to applying a waterless wash) and THEN using the mitt/sponge. Especially with a product like IUDJ that gives the polymers a chance to pre-encapsulate grit and pull it away from the surface before applying any sort of friction and makes the wash media able to wick up grime more effectively.
 
I've been going to ONR regularily for my own washes, however I still use regular car wash shampoo in a foamer for wheels and wheel wells (when degreasers and wheel cleaners aren't required). I actually feel ONR washers are a bit easier to ensure 100% coverage (I've found with foam washes it's harder for me to see where I've passed with a mitt).
 
On the other hand, I have not been a huge fan with the waterless washes. It feels like I'm just heavily QDing and it doesn't feel as safe as a rinseless (and I feel that I spend much more on product to wash a car with waterless as opposed to the 2oz. of ONR I need for a rinseless).
 
The benefits of going waterless/rinse-less far outweigh the negatives.



I go waterless as it is the quickest and easiest for me to do and I don't have marring issues. Besides, its really the only option for apartment life unless I take it to the self serve.



I would take rinse-less over traditional as well. Less water, still no marring, and quicker.
 
C. Charles Hahn said:
I would say the vast majority of my maintenance washes lately have been rinseless, though I have been known to use waterless when I know a vehicle has good protection and isn't heavily soiled. Traditional washing is primarily reserved for full decontamination/deep cleaning jobs or situations where a vehicle simply cannot be washed any other way (heavy deposits of dirt, etc.)



I find that the technique I use does not instill marring except occasional occurrences on extremely soft paints. I would say it's no less safe than traditional washing as long as the soiling is within an acceptable range. The key to being safe is knowing when to utilize the tool and when to opt for other methods.



One thing I do when rinseless washing is to pre-soak the panel out of a spray bottle (similar to applying a waterless wash) and THEN using the mitt/sponge. Especially with a product like IUDJ that gives the polymers a chance to pre-encapsulate grit and pull it away from the surface before applying any sort of friction and makes the wash media able to wick up grime more effectively.
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Same here. We use Opti-Clean @ 4:1 as a pre-soaker.



Traditional washing anymore feels slow and wasteful.
 
hotrod66paul said:
I think what is key to using a rinseless product often on a car would be to start out with a good power wash before hand.
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Lately, I've been cleaning wheels, wells and tires the traditional way, then foaming and rinsing the entire car with a pressure washer before finally pulling it into the garage to do a rinseless wash. For my own car, usually I'll just use ONR without foaming and then use the left over solution for wheels and wells.
 
Other than the very rare for this area mud encased car, all my washes are with ONR. What's amazing is how often I go back to detail a car for a customer and they now have ONR in their garage.
 
Scottwax said:
Other than the very rare for this area mud encased car, all my washes are with ONR. What's amazing is how often I go back to detail a car for a customer and they now have ONR in their garage.
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FUnny you say that because I've noticed the exact same thing, they go buy it themselves but are too scared to try it out LOL.



Scott is actually the one who got me to try ONR about a year ago and I haven't even thought about doing a regular wash since, I just won't do it, ONR is just too good. One thing that has puzzled me though is that I see people saying how ONR is so much faster than a regular wash. I find the opposite to be true, since I dry with extreme care, and wash with extreme care, I find it takes at least an hour to wash a car with ONR, on average.
 
After talking to Garry Dean the other day, which was cool, I would like to start incorporating rinseless washing on our regular cleints. However for the vehicles that are nasty dirty, which are the majority of my customers, how would I go about cleaning the rims and wheel wells? I understand that I need to be discerning when it comes to when to use a rinseless wash. I need to get my hands on some ONR first, and/or have my friends who have absorbed a local detailing products company and reformulating some products make me a quality rinseless product.
 
RZJZA80 said:
FUnny you say that because I've noticed the exact same thing, they go buy it themselves but are too scared to try it out LOL.



Scott is actually the one who got me to try ONR about a year ago and I haven't even thought about doing a regular wash since, I just won't do it, ONR is just too good. One thing that has puzzled me though is that I see people saying how ONR is so much faster than a regular wash. I find the opposite to be true, since I dry with extreme care, and wash with extreme care, I find it takes at least an hour to wash a car with ONR, on average.
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I'm typically the same way when it comes to a non-correction ONR wash. I like that I can just be leisurely with it instead of sort of rushing to beat water evaporation.



MirandaDetailin said:
After talking to Garry Dean the other day, which was cool, I would like to start incorporating rinseless washing on our regular cleints. However for the vehicles that are nasty dirty, which are the majority of my customers, how would I go about cleaning the rims and wheel wells? I understand that I need to be discerning when it comes to when to use a rinseless wash. I need to get my hands on some ONR first, and/or have my friends who have absorbed a local detailing products company and reformulating some products make me a quality rinseless product.
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I actually still use a foamer filled with citrus wash/car soap or APC to clean the wheels/wheel wells and wash with soft bristle brushes and/or grout sponges, even when doing "rinseless" washes. If I were to use my MF mitts that I normally wash with ONR, it'd saturate the mitts with too much dirt/brake dust that I'd blow through them.
 
RZJZA80 said:
FUnny you say that because I've noticed the exact same thing, they go buy it themselves but are too scared to try it out LOL.



Scott is actually the one who got me to try ONR about a year ago and I haven't even thought about doing a regular wash since, I just won't do it, ONR is just too good. One thing that has puzzled me though is that I see people saying how ONR is so much faster than a regular wash. I find the opposite to be true, since I dry with extreme care, and wash with extreme care, I find it takes at least an hour to wash a car with ONR, on average.
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It is much faster, I can wash the average sized car in 20 minutes or so with ONR. Single bucket, MF wash pad, 2-3 16 x 16 530 gram microfiber towels. Once around the car and done.
 
Yea I don't understand why any mobile detailers would still be dragging around a trailer with 90+ gallons of water and some giant pressure washer just to detail cars. Onr works great. I have the cg Eco pod loaded with onr wash strength And use the two bucket method. Works great. I tested it all winter up here and onr is the real deal even on a thick layer of road salt. it seems like it takes a little longer to get around the car but when your done you've already dried each panel so your ready to clay. I couldn't imagine running my business any other way.
 
rustytruck said:
Yea I don't understand why any mobile detailers would still be dragging around a trailer with 90+ gallons of water and some giant pressure washer just to detail cars. Onr works great. I have the cg Eco pod loaded with onr wash strength And use the two bucket method. Works great. I tested it all winter up here and onr is the real deal even on a thick layer of road salt. it seems like it takes a little longer to get around the car but when your done you've already dried each panel so your ready to clay. I couldn't imagine running my business any other way.
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Because 1) they are not on any detailing forums 2) it is not sold in AutoZone 3) the local bulk car wash supplier does not sell it.
 
rustytruck said:
Yea I don't understand why any mobile detailers would still be...
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Maybe they're like Yours Truly, unable to consistently wash 100% marring-free with the stuff :nixweiss



Great for the people who are happy with it, but it doesn't work its magic for everybody every time.



Nothing wrong with being an ONR user. Nothing wrong with washing conventionally. Nothing wrong with using the approach that's best for *you* ;)
 
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