RESULT: Haze and no swirl marks removed

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eric320

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Pls help me!



i used a 7424 pc today with sonus swirl remover and the green pad on a 330xi 2006...



I did the following:



washed with dawn dried with sonus drying towel

clayed with car wash/water

washed with Z7 dried with sonus drying towel

used 4.5 speed with green pad

buffed with buffing towel



result: slightly hazy in some areas and no swirl marks removed..aarrgghh!!!



not enough product? not enough pressure? wrong pad? too little pressure? AARRHH!!!



any insight into this train wreck would be appreciated...
 
Eric: sounds like the right ingrediants, but the method was wrong:



1. I don't know about Sonus products, but I put swirl remover on the pad, set at 3 to apply a nice even coat over a given area (door, trunk lid, half a hood...not too big an area), then step the pc to 5 and work the given area in side-to-side, then up-and-down, then 45 degree angle. On Meguiars products, I keep this up until the product almost disappears.

2. Light buff with a microfiber to check work. Repeat steps until swirls are gone.



For product amount: You can try 2 stripes of product forming an X. Usually, you don't want much more than that.



Time is the factor...work an area until you are satisfied, then move on.



Try those steps and holler back at the forum.



Totoland Mach
 
thx for the reply..



i did not wait for the product to almost disappear and i was afraid to go to slow...



so maybe go slower to apply the product then step it up and go over area until product almost dissappears, then buff...



ok.. i will try that sunday...



my heart sank when i finishes the hood and side then put a light to it and still saw all those fine swirl marks still covering the car... thanks to the damn dealer..
 
To add something:



after priming your pad with the amount Totoland mentioned, you don't need that much again. Just 2-3 pea sized drops.

Very important to keep your arm speed SLOW. That means 0.5-1 inch per second. And kick the PC to 6 if you want to correct stubborn imperfections. Work it long enough to break down the polish. Watch as the polish trace goes smoother and smoother (breaks down) - but stop befire it dries out and starts dusting. I don't know the lubricity of the Sonus polishes, but good polishes allow a few minutes work time. With the stated arm speed, do a vertical, a horizontal and two diagonal passes on a 2×2 area. Remove, inspect. When the swirls are still there, upgrade to a more aggressive pad or polish.



Try and chime back!
 
Bence said:
To add something:



after priming your pad with the amount Totoland mentioned, you don't need that much again. Just 2-3 pea sized drops.

Very important to keep your arm speed SLOW. That means 0.5-1 inch per second. And kick the PC to 6 if you want to correct stubborn imperfections. Work it long enough to break down the polish. Watch as the polish trace goes smoother and smoother (breaks down) - but stop befire it dries out and starts dusting. I don't know the lubricity of the Sonus polishes, but good polishes allow a few minutes work time. With the stated arm speed, do a vertical, a horizontal and two diagonal passes on a 2×2 area. Remove, inspect. When the swirls are still there, upgrade to a more aggressive pad or polish.



Try and chime back!
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So after you put your first "X" of product on the pad and all of it is gone, you SHOULDN'T use "X" amount again? Just a few more drops because the pad is already saturated from the previous "X"?
 
Once the pad is seasoned, in other words, once the pad is impregnated wth product, your follow up qty's to reapply, should be minimal. Your going to have to keep adding product, or your polishing with already broken down abrasives. Theres a learning curve, and you'll find rewards. When the product and pad and working time come together, your attain your results......
 
i have spent the last 18 hours sick.. so my question is:



if the pad sits for a day or 2 without use can i just pick it and go for it again?



before i could go back and retry i ended up with the flu... so is it still seasoned or do i have to do it all over again...



thx
 
the product has dried over the past few days. You're going to have to clean the pad out. if you don't, the dried product is going to swirl the hell out of the paint.
 
eric,



Seasoned/primed means: getting a wet, homogeneous base for the given work-session. It's not the "virginity" of the pad, *that's once off, is always off*.



You always have to prime the pad. Try to understand how a polish (a drying liquid) behaves, OK? Just common sense...
 
thx for all the help..



i did the dead and its not gonna work for me.. i think i need a more aggressive product..



my paint may be too hard... i followed the process/technique several times but to no avail.. so i had to slap on a quick coat of wax to protect the car till i get something with a little more power..



but



as the sun began to go down i noticed half my hood , at a certain angle, had shadow swirls marks under the wax.. looks like pc marks going right up half my hood.. i tried buffing them out by hand but it would not work and the light faded so i could not see them anymore..



did i burn the paint? is it correctable? was i imagening them? :(



i am gonna puke if i killed my hood... :soscared:
 
To add to the great advice here: I found it's helpful if I'm not getting the results I've expected to break down the problems.



1. You are not removing swirls. Spread your product around a small area on a moderate setting (like a quarter of the hood) then jack it up to 6 and make a few SLOW passes, overlapping 50%, side to side, then up and down. It's ok to use a good amount of pressure with the PC, especially for removing stubborn swirl marks.



2. Hazing. This is normal after using a strong compound, but it can also be the result of not working your polish long enough. If it's the former reason, follow with a lighter polish (like SFX2 or 3) if you are using the Sonus products. They are very high quality polishes and can yield great results when used corretly.



It is important to start working on a small section. Work that section until you get the results you want so that you know what methods/products to proceed with on the rest of the hood or car. There's no point in polishing the whole car with a process that isn't yielding results. I myself had to learn this the hard way.



Good luck and don't worry too much about it. You'll get it figured out eventually and your car will look great. Just be patient, use your noggin, and keep asking questions if you get stuck.
 
keep with it bud, just takes a bit to get the hang of it. after that is when the fun begins ;).

i had horrible luck the first time i tried removing swirls with the pc. once i got the hang of it i was golden from there. These guys are great here, we will see you through!!!



Good luck!!!
 
thanks for all the words of encouragement... after reading the posts even i think i might be able to do it...



i will recheck the hood tomorrow... i hope the dark areas are fixable... and by that i mean by me...



should i just start over with sfx-1? or is there other prepwork involved before jumping to that?



i will switch to sfx-1 sonus since sfx-2 did not seem to do it...



any ideas what those darks swirl areas are?
 
Any chance you can post pictures? If we could see exactly what you have it will be easier to help out.



All the advice so far has been spot on. Just to emphasize a couple though.

Speed of the PC is a big factor here. The odds are very slim that you've burned the paint with what you've done.

Apply the product in a small area. try one foot by one foot. Apply a nice even coat at speed 3. After it's sprerad out, kick the speed up to 5 or 6 and work it left and right, then back and forth. Go over the same spots with the same overlapping pattern multiple times until the polish goes opaque.

Check your work, if it didn't change at all, you may need a more agressive pad or polish.



See if you can get some pics for us.
 
thxs.. its cloudy up here for the next couple of days and i need direct sunlight for the effect to be seen but without the sun and not up close and not looking for swirl marks or other defects... it looks great ;)



as soon as i can capture the damage i will post pics...



thx again for all the help...
 

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