Trying to help a friend out with his car's paint. He got the car repainted about a year or so ago, and was just a single stage paint. The car has no clearcoat, and alot of orange peel everywhere. In the year since its been repainted, the paint has already started flaking off the spoiler, and is looking faded. To try to bring this car back to life, I am thinking I need to wetsand first, then maybe apply a clearcoat? I'm a DIYer like the rest of you guys, so I figured I could just temporarily convert my garage to a paint booth and spray a coat of clear on the car for him, or even try to repaint spoiler if needed, then clear. I'd like some advice on what to do to get the car looking new and shiny, instead of having the reflection of a crayon.
Repainted car, no clearcoat, lots of orange peel...
- Thread starter RedFC
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So let me get this straight....
you are gonna sand SS Paint and then Apply Clearcoat???
Although you might create a new trend I'm not sure its the way you want the paint to look.... basically it will look dull with a shiny clearcoat on top!!
You have to Sand, Paint and then CC.
you are gonna sand SS Paint and then Apply Clearcoat???
Although you might create a new trend I'm not sure its the way you want the paint to look.... basically it will look dull with a shiny clearcoat on top!!
You have to Sand, Paint and then CC.
FidoAUTO said:
I've actually never gotten in to the paintwork, but now is the time if any. The car is red BTW, and looked pretty good at the time. I can see that it has potential, but will it really need a respray? What can I do to avoid a respray? All advice and opinions are appreciated, thanks.
TortoiseAWD
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If it's single stage paint, why not just wet-sand to level the orange peel, then polish it up? There's nothing inherently wrong with SS paint . . . it does tend to oxidize more quickly and more noticeably than clearcoat, but I've also found (in general) that it's easier to restore the finish on SS than some of the uber-hard clears that are out there.
Here's what I'd do (as always, take any of my advice with an appropriately sized grain of salt): Go after the finish as-is with a light-to-medium polish to remove oxidation (the fading you mentioned) on at least one panel, and see what you're left with. That should take care of the fading/oxidation and restore the color and gloss. If, at that point, you decided you still want to address the orange peel, then wet-sand and follow with appropriate polishes to remove the sanding marks.
Tort
Here's what I'd do (as always, take any of my advice with an appropriately sized grain of salt): Go after the finish as-is with a light-to-medium polish to remove oxidation (the fading you mentioned) on at least one panel, and see what you're left with. That should take care of the fading/oxidation and restore the color and gloss. If, at that point, you decided you still want to address the orange peel, then wet-sand and follow with appropriate polishes to remove the sanding marks.
Tort
TortoiseAWD said:
Thanks for the advice. I know you should always start with something less abrasive and work your way up as needed, but this car's paint is all orange peel, very tough site. Also, what would you recommend about the spoiler? I think I can do a good spraypaint job on it to make it look as good, if not better than the rest of the paint, but thats a very last resort. I'll have to get pictures up soon just so you guys have an idea of what I'll be working with.
My buddy said that the paint always comes off after polishing, although its a very small amount, it is noticable. We did a small part, and sure enough, it started taking the paint right off where we first started applying it after working it in for a minute. Keep in mind that I applied this gently by hand. After seeing it start to take the paint off by hand, you can see why I'm not too excited about busting out the PC.
I'm looking for some other opinions on how to go about this detail, since you guy's have alot more knowledge/experience. What products would you all recommend? I tried a little bit of Z5 pro on it and that is what was taking it off. The ZPC seems way too abrasive if the Z5 would take the paint off, haven't busted out the Poorboys yet.
Help!
RedFC said:
judging by what you are saying here .....
-You cant polish it or the paint comes off
-You cant even seal it or the paint comes off
-Respraying is not an option
I think the only option here is layering 4-5 coats of LIQUID GLASS....... its probably the only thing that will create a 'shine' or 'gloss' since its all fillers and doesn't depend on a clearcoat for some of its shine
sneek
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The paint completly rubbed off or are your applicators just the colour of the paint?
I was reading up on the LG, and it just doesn't seem to be quiet what I'm looking for. I guess I'm looking for something that would be a little more permenant. I know the best thing would be a respray, but I'd still like to salvage what I can.
thanks again for all of you all's help
thanks again for all of you all's help
STOP!
is the paint falling off the car or are your pads turing the color of the car?
if the pad are just taking some of the color off this is normal with ss paint!
you are going to want to polish then add some oils back in to the paint
(or use some of the megs products with oils in them)
the use a carcarbunaba wax not a sealant for the best look
is the paint falling off the car or are your pads turing the color of the car?
if the pad are just taking some of the color off this is normal with ss paint!
you are going to want to polish then add some oils back in to the paint
(or use some of the megs products with oils in them)
the use a carcarbunaba wax not a sealant for the best look
BigJimZ28 said:
Like BigJim said, this is normal with SS paint. Found this thread as an example. http://autopia.org/forum/showthread.php?t=73261&highlight=single+stage+paint Check out the red pads after polishing. If the paint is really just coming off, the only solution is a full re-paint.
Thanks for the link, very helpful
Here's what I'm thinking about doing, any feedback would be great as I am still fairly new to detailing.
Wash (z7)
Clay (z18)
Wash
Poorboys SSR2.5 or SSR2 with LC orange pad (too abrassive?)
Z2 or Z5 Pro after this, or SSR1 (white pad?)
Maybe another coat of Z2 or Z5 after this
Z6 final polish (About to order the Z8 tonight, don't know why I dont already have it)
Top with carnuba?
My questions
-Should I spray the z6 before every coat of polish to remove any dust?
-Is the SSR2 or 2.5 going to be too abbrasive?
-Z2 or Z5 for this car?
-Should I use scratch-x or ZPC at all on this car anywhere, for the more major scratches?
Please leave any and all comments, I'm here to learn so I need you all's expertise and knowledge. Also, any product recommendations are always welcome and wanted. I have alot of other products that I didn't mention obviously, but you can never have too much
Thanks guys, I'll try to get pics up asap, I know its hard not seeing the actual car.
Here's what I'm thinking about doing, any feedback would be great as I am still fairly new to detailing.
Wash (z7)
Clay (z18)
Wash
Poorboys SSR2.5 or SSR2 with LC orange pad (too abrassive?)
Z2 or Z5 Pro after this, or SSR1 (white pad?)
Maybe another coat of Z2 or Z5 after this
Z6 final polish (About to order the Z8 tonight, don't know why I dont already have it)
Top with carnuba?
My questions
-Should I spray the z6 before every coat of polish to remove any dust?
-Is the SSR2 or 2.5 going to be too abbrasive?
-Z2 or Z5 for this car?
-Should I use scratch-x or ZPC at all on this car anywhere, for the more major scratches?
Please leave any and all comments, I'm here to learn so I need you all's expertise and knowledge. Also, any product recommendations are always welcome and wanted. I have alot of other products that I didn't mention obviously, but you can never have too much
Thanks guys, I'll try to get pics up asap, I know its hard not seeing the actual car.
sneek
New member
BigJimZ28 said:
Thats exactly what i was thinking... see my previous post. I am not sure about the response but I am guess that the paint is physically coming off. If it was just coming off onto the applicator it is normal!