Q on coating for wife`s new ride

RippyD

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Wife has a new car (used - just under 3 years old). Paint is in good shape with minimal swirls and scratches. I`ll clay it, polish the whole car with a DA, and then coating. Likely going with HD polish after a great recent experience with HD Speed.

For coating I`m leaning toward Polish Angel. They have rave reviews, they seem to look good, and appear to be 100% idiot proof (drys like a wax, no high spots, no 12 hour cure period, etc).

My question is, what happens when it starts to wear off in a year or two? Does it need to be completely removed before I add another coating? And if I polish to remove, how do I know when it`s gone? My goal would be (of course) to remove the old coating and and minimize removal of the clear coat.

Or do you guys just polish until any defects are gone and call it good? With a coating do you just plan on a light polish every 18-24 months?
 
First it does have a cure time, 24 hrs or 12 if "sprtiz`d"

And the pre coating lotion should be enough to do a pre-coat quick polish up. But normally you would probably want to polish anyway.
 
Take this from my experience as the standard your results May Vary will apply here.

So I polished and coated my Challenger a little over a year ago with Pinnacle Black Label version one, two coats actually 24 hrs apart.

Over the course of year i put some mircomarring on the car. My car is black and the clear on the 09s Seem to be softer the darker the color from my experience with multiple Mopars over the years.

About a month ago i decided i had to start fresh since i didn`t have essence when i initially polished/coated it in 2015.

So i took a carpro gloss pad, essence, and my duetto and polished the car after an iron removal bath and clay.

I did some 50/50s and im quit certain that light polishing removed the pblv1x2...if I`m wrong (which happens) it just filled the marring in, which i doubt...because after having this car for 7 years id like to think i know a little bit about the paint.
and as a full fledged Autopian at the time i polished/coated it, i Know what it looked like.

Then i proceeded to use cure, fuzion spray wax, wet coat and liquid Souveran spray wax, but the moral here is that

When you feel the coating is about at its end, OR youre just ready for a change....i think a light polishing might be sufficient.

Naturally that is dependent on the light polish, the machine, the speed, and most importantly, the hardness of the coating (pbl is awesome for an "intro" coating but as much as I love it..I`ve witnessed v1 and v2s limits over the years)

Maybe that helps...



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The way i see it...you Just need to shave off the coating you applied to reveal the clear/paint that you perfected previously to applying said coating...so that would not include removing much clear at all, but just the thickness level of the coating to reveal the good looking finish beneath.

How you achieve that..well that`s up to you to figure out, lol

Im that guy who does 6 test spots or more before commiting

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The way i see it...you Just need to shave off the coating you applied to reveal the clear/paint that you perfected previously to applying said coating...so that would not include removing much clear at all, but just the thickness level of the coating to reveal the good looking finish beneath.

How you achieve that..well that`s up to you to figure out, lol

Im that guy who does 6 test spots or more before commiting

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I`m all for test spots. Can you share how you know when the coating is gone? Can you see it? Do you feel it? If you don`t know when the coating is gone, how do you know how much clear you`re removing?

And I get that using light cut polish it would take a while to wear through clear coat with a DA, but is there a way to tell the coating is gone? Or is that point that if you hit it with a few passes of polish it`s likely good enough?
 
I`m all for test spots. Can you share how you know when the coating is gone? Can you see it? Do you feel it? If you don`t know when the coating is gone, how do you know how much clear you`re removing?

And I get that using light cut polish it would take a while to wear through clear coat with a DA, but is there a way to tell the coating is gone? Or is that point that if you hit it with a few passes of polish it`s likely good enough?
Best method would be to use a paint thickness gauge (pre/post), which i didn`t have at the time

I just gave it the `ole hack test, lol

I just knew it was gone

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I`m all for test spots. Can you share how you know when the coating is gone? Can you see it? Do you feel it? If you don`t know when the coating is gone, how do you know how much clear you`re removing?

And I get that using light cut polish it would take a while to wear through clear coat with a DA, but is there a way to tell the coating is gone? Or is that point that if you hit it with a few passes of polish it`s likely good enough?

Since you don`t have a coating on the car to begin with, once you properly prepare the vehicle for your coating and apply it, you will very shortly see a dramatic change in how the paint looks and how well it sheds dirt, etc., and water..

Remember that new coating condition.. Keep the vehicle coating clean using something like CarPro Reset to wash the vehicle, and just monitor the way it looks and acts as the months go by..

Perhaps if you had the most expensive calibrated material thickness gauge and you were very, very, accurate at measurement - before and after - of every square inch of your vehicle`s paintwork, then you might be able to tell when it starts to wear off, etc...

I watched my Optimum coating go through 4+ years (installed late 2011) of having absolutely nothing done to it except a wash and blow water off with a Master Blaster, and it finally started going away sometime this summer..

I never touched it with a correction product, etc., all those years.. didnt need to... it looked great...To the end, it was very clear, glossy, and the the sunlight reflected clearly, straight back into your eyes..

What I noticed about my coating is that after year-2-3 on, it started shedding dirt and water differently, and the clean, washed, coating felt kind of rough..

I wanted to clean that roughness off with something like a very fine claybar, but decided to not touch it (I really wanted to see how long it would last) and instead made sure I washed it very well - sometimes twice - with Carpro Reset only - and that really helped clean out some of that roughness and made the coating cleaner because the way the sun reflected off of it was much sharper and brighter - you could not look at it in the sun without it hurting your eyes...

But there was enough on there protecting my paint (very light surface defects here and there) for me to be able to go over the Black Paint with Optimum Finish Compound on Hydro-Shred Tangerine Pads and a Rotary, and bring huge gloss back to the paintwork for a new coating - this time, Optimum 2.0. (which is no longer made, but it was a new syringe that was perfectly clear)..

My first Claybar process on this paintwork went fine, but it was kind of grabby, so I had to keep a lot of DoDo Juice Born Slippy Clay Lube on it to keep from adding any additional work to the process..

I used a New BlackFire Gray Poly ClayBar for this process, and it did get dirt off the coating.. I cleaned the claybar after each pass..

My Initial pass with Optimum Finish Compound was not normal in that the pad was pretty grabby on the paint, and I attribute this to the coating being removed..

I kept the pad and product moist the whole time, used medium pressure, because this is how I get the best results, and ran it down to almost nothing before I stopped and wiped it off with lots of clean, soft, microfiber towels..

My 2nd pass with the same product, was much easier and acted all normal, so I have to assume that I got through the old Coating and was now just working with the paint (that had not been corrected for 4+ years)

I went through around 14 pads ( 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat, Metallic) because I wanted to keep the pads clean and not interfere with my coating removal and correction process.. The pads cleaned up just fine with Snappy Clean Powder..

Hope this helps !
DanF
 
Since you don`t have a coating on the car to begin with, once you properly prepare the vehicle for your coating and apply it, you will very shortly see a dramatic change in how the paint looks and how well it sheds dirt, etc., and water..

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My Initial pass with Optimum Finish Compound was not normal in that the pad was pretty grabby on the paint, and I attribute this to the coating being removed..

I kept the pad and product moist the whole time, used medium pressure, because this is how I get the best results, and ran it down to almost nothing before I stopped and wiped it off with lots of clean, soft, microfiber towels..

My 2nd pass with the same product, was much easier and acted all normal, so I have to assume that I got through the old Coating and was now just working with the paint (that had not been corrected for 4+ years)

I went through around 14 pads ( 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat, Metallic) because I wanted to keep the pads clean and not interfere with my coating removal and correction process.. The pads cleaned up just fine with Snappy Clean Powder..

Hope this helps !
DanF
Helpful - thanks for all the info. I think the answer is to polish it off and see how it feels. I`m a newb and have been asking a lot of questions on AG. Got a DA and have been using it. Pretty confident in my ability to get the paint in good shape for a coating. Just want to know what I`m getting into in terms of replacing it down the road.

I`ll use PA and see how it goes in a couple of years.

And very impressive that you got 4 years out of Opt. I`m also putting DG Nanoglass on another car. No reason not to use OPT either. All looks like great products and I only have so many cars. Going with PA for the wife`s ride (`14 Boxster S) because I really don`t want to screw it up and PA seems to have the look she wants. She wants the wow factor on that Boxster. Could be others would look as good, but seems like a good excuse to try PA. And the reviews here and on AG are consistently great.
 
Helpful - thanks for all the info. I think the answer is to polish it off and see how it feels. I`m a newb and have been asking a lot of questions on AG. Got a DA and have been using it. Pretty confident in my ability to get the paint in good shape for a coating. Just want to know what I`m getting into in terms of replacing it down the road.

I`ll use PA and see how it goes in a couple of years.

And very impressive that you got 4 years out of Opt. I`m also putting DG Nanoglass on another car. No reason not to use OPT either. All looks like great products and I only have so many cars. Going with PA for the wife`s ride (`14 Boxster S) because I really don`t want to screw it up and PA seems to have the look she wants. She wants the wow factor on that Boxster. Could be others would look as good, but seems like a good excuse to try PA. And the reviews here and on AG are consistently great.

Glad to help !
I used the old Opti-Guard product from back then in 2011. Later they came out with Optimum Pro Series product..
Of all the coatings out there today, Optimum has been making them the longest, and have had great longevity...

I have learned after coating dozens of vehicles that the LESS you mess with it - After - properly preparing and installing it, the longer it will live if it is a really good, proven, coating, And your prep work was very Detailed and perfect..

Optimum came out a long time ago and if you add the years they spent in R&D before, it is even way longer - but that is why they are still a very good product..

Later, a lot of people started making coatings that were - more glossy - but no one ever produced paper/testing to back up the claim that it was - more glossy -.. :) And then, since they are all so new, who knows how durable they will be, and last ??

I am sure your product choice will be fine for your needs and that is all that really matters when you get down to it...

When you get around to doing yours, just be sure to spend way more time preparing the paint, and then that final wipe down with something that will absolutely remove any remaining unseen stuff on the paint. Use a good media that will not absorb all your coating but instead keep it on the surface so you get to use all of it; make it thin, even coats, allow it to dry and cure as much as possible, and it will be great !
Dan F
 
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