Prove to Me Some Waxes "Yellow" Paint

[STG]

I just finished reading a M16 vs. M26 thread wherein the discussion turned into whether or not some waxes can "yellow" paint. Personally, I have never seen it and find the idea rather absurd. Some have posted seeing a difference after stripping M26 and applying other LSPs.



No one has posted a senario where an actual side-by-side comparison was done. People only posted about before/after results when switching from a wax like M26 to something like Zaino. I find it extremely difficult to believe that anyone can rely solely on memory to determine whether or not one product is actually clearer than another. Additionally, I imagine few here will actually wax a car with M26 and immediately strip it off to replace it with Zaino or whatever. Most likely, the allegedly "yellowing" wax will be an older application. Prepping the car and applying any new product will result in a shinier, more reflective finsh that looks better than the months old application of "yellowing" wax.



If anyone thinks some waxes can actually "yellow" (or any other color, for that matter) paint, please post some proof here.



How about photos of a white hood that's been prepped and had a "yellowing" wax applied ( like maybe 5 coats of M26 ) on one side vs. something "clear" like Zaino on the other?

Both products appplied to the same panel, each side identically prepped - not an old application of M26 vs. newly applied Zaino.



Note: My use of the word yellow or yellowing is not meant to imply tinting - just a yellow appearance.

 

[Bigpoppa3346]

I really don't think anything is going to "yellow" paint, unless you use something with terrible optical clarity. If it did, it would probably be so subtle that it wouldn't show in photos. In my experience, carnauba doesn't really yellow the paint, but distorts it in such a way that it gives a percieved "warmth" and depth that highly reflective and ultra clear sealants can't match.

 

[imported_DennisH]

I really don't think anything is going to "yellow" paint, unless you use something with terrible optical clarity. If it did, it would probably be so subtle that it wouldn't show in photos. In my experience, carnauba doesn't really yellow the paint, but distorts it in such a way that it gives a percieved "warmth" and depth that highly reflective and ultra clear sealants can't match.

I agree 100%. I enter my cars in several higher end car shows where there are cars that are being campaigned nationally. Most of these cars never see rain nor a wash bucket with water and have hundreds of applications of wax and QDs without stripping or polishing (notice I said applications and not layers) over a couple of years and I have never heard nor seen the comments about wax yellowing. Some of cars have crew that have shown cars for the builders that have been on the circuit for years, believe me if the wax was yellowing these guys would switch because it is all about winning and the size of thier paychecks.

 

[wannafbody]

apply a clear sealant to a section of white paint and then apply various other products and decide for yourself. I have some test sections on our white pickup. Zaino vs Duragloss. The Duragloss has a SLIGHTLY yellowish tinge (warmth) compared to Zaino. When I used 845 on the vehicle it looked more yellowish or warm compared to the NXT that was previously on it. Yellow might not be totally correct terminology but there are differences of appearance between products.

 

[Accumulator]

I can't post a pic or offer any evidence, so this might be a useless post (wouldn't be my first one of those ) but there's a pearl white Cadillac DTS in my area with a *distict* yellow cast to it. It's so noticeable that I thought that was how that paint looked until I started checking out other ones with the same paint. The car in question is always *very* clean and shiny, but it also looks uniformly more yellow than others in that color. I figure it's something to do with the products on it, but I dunno for sure :nixweiss



Only time I ever got "yellowing" I attributed it to dirt trapped between the wax layers. This was back before clay came out, on my Jag, which got waxed with Malm's after every wash (i.e., every time it got driven). After a while the silver paint started looking "tarnished" so I polished off all the wax...got a lot of yellowish stuff on my buffing cloths but I somehow think it was contamination and not the yellow pigment from the Malm's. Not sure though, it's not like the car was *ever* actually "dirty" during that time; rinse water was clean after every wash so it's another :nixweiss

 

[xnavyguy]

I remember reading an article that paint will turn yellow from UV rays. I would think if you use an LSP that contains UV inhibitors that it would stop or at least slow this process down. Similar to using sunblock on your skin.

 

[imported_agentf11]

I remember reading an article that paint will turn yellow from UV rays. I would think if you use an LSP that contains UV inhibitors that it would stop or at least slow this process down. Similar to using sunblock on your skin.

I agree. Wax and sealants are made to prevent yellowing and should not cause it.

 

[Bigpoppa3346]

I agree. Wax and sealants are made to prevent yellowing and should not cause it.

Waxes and sealants don't cause yellowing, as in the paint turning yellow, but the layer of product on the paint gives a yellowish tint to the paint(which I have never witnessed, but others claim to have seen). '



How is the sun going to turn your paint yellow? Seriously, that makes no sense. You don't see 5 year old white cars looking yellow from the sun(they may take on this hue from the dirt in the paint), but it's not anything that won't polish off.

 

[Mr_Elusive]

I remember WAAAY back I used Mother's 3 stage wax on my black car. When I was done the car had this yellowish-brownish look to it, soon after I found Autogylm Super Resin Polish and it removed it right away and I never got that look again. That was on the only wax(Mothers) that did that to my car.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I can't post a pic or offer any evidence, so this might be a useless post (wouldn't be my first one of those ) but there's a pearl white Cadillac DTS in my area with a *distict* yellow cast to it. It's so noticeable that I thought that was how that paint looked until I started checking out other ones with the same paint. The car in question is always *very* clean and shiny, but it also looks uniformly more yellow than others in that color. I figure it's something to do with the products on it, but I dunno for sure :nixweiss

I dunno Acc (can I call you Acc?), but in the middle of that whole #26 thread yesterday I was out and saw a pearl white DTS and when it turned and got at a certain angle it was distinctly yellow...and it would have to be the biggest coincidence ever if it had #26 on it...or if it was even WAXED.

 

[imported_mopar]

UV rays can yellow clear coat or at least the older clear coats, it takes a long time.

If wax did yellow clear coat, then the turtle wax colored wax would really do a number on paint, I don't believe it can, but if you lay down some candle wax and leave it on it will start to yellow but would bead like no other :chuckle:

 

[David Fermani]

How is the sun going to turn your paint yellow?

Because the sun is Yellow. :LOLOL



Just kidding.

 

[Accumulator]

..yesterday I was out and saw a pearl white DTS and when it turned and got at a certain angle it was distinctly yellow...and it would have to be the biggest coincidence ever if it had #26 on it...or if it was even WAXED.

OK, could be they're all that way and I just somehow never noticed before :nixweiss What I know about Caddy pearl white wouldn't fill a thimble Pretty awful looking IMO though, at least compared to the pearls I *do* know about...to each their own..

 

[bill57]

There was a thread a while back on the Meguires site where Mike Phillips explained that the "yellowing" was an urban legend!

 

[STG]

There was a thread a while back on the Meguires site where Mike Phillips explained that the "yellowing" was an urban legend!

He's right.

 

[TigerMike]

There was a thread a while back on the Meguires site where Mike Phillips explained that the "yellowing" was an urban legend!

Obviously not by the people that experience it. He can claim urban legend all he wants, but the proof was in the pudding. Would you expect him to say any differently anyway, I mean come on. Meguiar's could sell yellow paint, and he would claim it wouldn't impart a yellowish tint!



Again, does natural pollen turn the car a shade of green every year? Then, what is so absurd about a natural yellow wax imparting its own yellowish tint with a lot of buildup?



Prove it to yourself, instead of asking those that experienced it for the proof. (which a camera may not be able to capture anyway). Apply roughly 10 coats of #26 to one side of the hood and Z to the other, and then let's talk. Unless you have done it and experienced it, your "absurd" assumption is unfounded.

Note: My use of the word yellow or yellowing is not meant to imply tinting - just a yellow appearance.

And all the ones talking about "yellowing" are referring to a yellowish TINT, not overall appearance.



Here is a quote on Meg's website.

Ivory Carnauba wax is simply #1 yellow Carnauba wax that has been decolorized to remove the natural yellow color.

 

[jfelbab]

...Prove it to yourself, instead of asking those that experienced it for the proof. (which a camera may not be able to capture anyway). Apply roughly 10 coats of #26 to one side of the hood and Z to the other, and then let's talk. Unless you have done it and experienced it, your "absurd" assumption is unfounded.

You should be aware that #26 cannot be "layered". After two coats, or 10 coats, your film thickness is the same. Nice try though.



I have done side by side comparisons between #26 and several other products. #16, NXT, #20, #21, Zymol, and numerous others. There has never been a "yellow" tint left after any of my applications. I've been detailing autos for over 46 years and I have never seen a wax leave a yellow tint on paint. I've gone through more cans of #26 than I care to admit. It simply does not leave a yellow tint.



I have seen white cars that had a brownish-yellow appearance but it was due to road grime. After a wash, clay, polish and wax they are white again. Road grim on white cars occurs no matter what LSP you use. Road grime occurs on any color car for that matter. Yellowing left by a wax is as Mr. Phillips states, is a myth.

 

[coupe]

All these years of using nuabas i have never seen it yellow paint in anyway.

My car has only god knows how many layers/applications of #26 on it and i cannot for the life of me find a yellowing of any kind on it. I have tried MANY waxes and sealants and all give a different *look* in *my eyes* but never a tinting of any kind.

 

[STG]

Obviously not by the people that experience it. He can claim urban legend all he wants, but the proof was in the pudding. Would you expect him to say any differently anyway, I mean come on. Meguiar's could sell yellow paint, and he would claim it wouldn't impart a yellowish tint!

TigerMike,



WHAT PROOF? WHAT PUDDING? Show me! I started this thread after reading BS posts like yours. I asked for proof on this thread!



Mike's post on MOL asked for proof, like I did. You can't provide any and continue the urban myth.



You're logic is pathetic. I just finished applying M21 on my Oxford Whiite F250 Powerstoke Diesel. Meguiar's #21 is purple, yet my truck is still 100% Oxford White. Yes, I did half the hood.

 

[TigerMike]

You should be aware that #26 cannot be "layered". After two coats, or 10 coats, your film thickness is the same. Nice try though.



It simply does not leave a yellow tint.



Yellowing left by a wax is as Mr. Phillips states, is a myth.

Well, that is your and his opinion, not mine. Others have reported similar findings to mine, so I guess there will be a camp that believes it does and one that doesn't. Which is fine by me, as I no longer use #26 or any Meg's product for that matter.



As to the layering, I had no intention of layering #26, I simply applied a coat about every 2 weeks for the fun of it (along with mixed coats of Mediallion and Gold Class). "Nice try" on the film thickness argument too, unless you have proof by means of a paint thickness gauge. While it may not truly layer, I do believe a wax buildup can occur. And, this was done many years ago as well, as I haven't since touched a Meg's wax in about a decade.